Comments on: Draft Minutes from December LNC meeting

By: LibertarianGirl

LibertarianGirl — Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:46:51 +0000

I find the following two votes interesting. Jingozian voted for the anti-Barr resolution; it appears Keaton and Ryan were the only other two who favored it.

When compared with the ineptitude of the Badnarik campaign Jingo also had this to say:
Badnarik ineptness was ust that it wasnt intentional like Barrs.

anyone else remember that comment , I sorta loved it

By: paulie cannoli

paulie cannoli — Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:56:38 +0000

Yes, true…he is known for that. Interesting vote by Jingozian, though.

By: chuckmoulton

chuckmoulton — Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:11:59 +0000

Starr’s top-2 vote was probably just budget tightness.

By: paulie cannoli

paulie cannoli — Fri, 12 Dec 2008 09:04:44 +0000

I updated the charts. New mail ballot chart available!

http://www.chuckmoulton.org/libertarian/2010/voting/

Thanks for the update!

I find the following two votes interesting. Jingozian voted for the anti-Barr resolution; it appears Keaton and Ryan were the only other two who favored it.

Aaron Starr was the only the committee member to vote against the Washington State lawsuit against top two.

By: paulie cannoli

paulie cannoli — Fri, 12 Dec 2008 08:35:03 +0000

Draft minutes have mistakes. Those mistakes are generally are brought to the Secretaryâ€™s attention and corrected.

I wouldnâ€™t assume malice. I try to give people the benefit of the doubt until they have an opportunity to fix errors.

Villifying the Secretary for mistakes in draft minutes rather than simply politely sending corrections gives more ammunition to those LNC members who want to keep draft minutes confidential.

I agree. I would not assume or imply malice unless I had a high degree of confidence.

I think making draft minutes public is important, along with the video as well as independent unofficial minutes (the twittering), and beneficial. It gives a larger set of people the opportunity to catch mistakes and thus makes it possible to create the most accurate record possible.

By: JimDavidson

JimDavidson — Fri, 12 Dec 2008 07:54:47 +0000

@7 Given the things Sullentrup has said about Tom Knapp, I would assume malice.

By: chuckmoulton

chuckmoulton — Fri, 12 Dec 2008 06:23:00 +0000

I updated the charts. New mail ballot chart available!

http://www.chuckmoulton.org/libertarian/2010/voting/

By: LibertarianGirl

LibertarianGirl — Fri, 12 Dec 2008 05:19:26 +0000

First off let me say I like Sullentrap , secondly i sat directly behind him and it was apparent he was bored by most of the proceedings as he played computer solataire the entire time unless there was a motion , then he took notes:)

By: chuckmoulton

chuckmoulton — Fri, 12 Dec 2008 04:18:40 +0000

Draft minutes have mistakes. Those mistakes are generally are brought to the Secretary’s attention and corrected.

I wouldn’t assume malice. I try to give people the benefit of the doubt until they have an opportunity to fix errors.

Villifying the Secretary for mistakes in draft minutes rather than simply politely sending corrections gives more ammunition to those LNC members who want to keep draft minutes confidential.

By: Michael Seebeck

Michael Seebeck — Fri, 12 Dec 2008 00:06:51 +0000

Yep, that is a hefty typo, and inexcusable. LPCA worked against Prop 8 and the LPCA ExComm unanimously opposed it (I oughta know, I wrote the ballot analysis and recommendation and presented it to them!)

By: Thomas M. Sipos

Thomas M. Sipos — Fri, 12 Dec 2008 00:05:43 +0000

Fred: “Hefty typo there.”

Not a typo, though a sloppy mistake.

A typo is a purely mechanical error, caused by the finger hitting a key other than the one intended.

Misspellings, and mistakes such as using the wrong word, are not typos.

By: Michael Seebeck

Michael Seebeck — Fri, 12 Dec 2008 00:04:23 +0000

I note the selective editing of the minutes by Mr. Sullentrup, as usual.

What I ALSO told the LNC, which is what got the racuous ovation from the gallery, was that the taping created a open feedback loop between the LNC and the membership, which the membership wants. I also told them they rally couldn’t do a thing about it, and informed Kraus that insurance companies tend to care more about their payouts in liability rather than the LP’s interests, and that he should bear in mind.

When reading these minutes, best to cross-reference the Tweet for the parts Mr. Sullentrup missed or decided to omit.

By: hogarth

hogarth — Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:16:00 +0000

Interesting note on the current ‘mission statement’. Here is my response:

http://lastfreevoice.wordpress.com/2008/12/11/mission-statement/

By: paulie cannoli

paulie cannoli — Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:25:40 +0000

This will have plenty of those. It’s a draft. This is why the official minutes take a while to release – to correct mistakes like this.

By: Fred Church Ortiz

Fred Church Ortiz — Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:20:02 +0000

Other LP work in California included the LPâ€™s support for Proposition 8, the measure that made same-sex marriages illegal.

Hefty typo there.