The point which I have been driving at over and over is that Angela Keaton should not be on the LNC because she has obvious ethical problems and is mentally unstable.

Fine. That’s a valid opinion.

But you’re ducking and weaving. The dictionary definition means nothing. In libertarian terms, fraud refers to something very specific, and “making false accusations” does not meet that definition.

Again, if she reported to the police, then she would be defrauding the police (and maybe you). If the police acted and injured you, then they (and probably A.K.) would be aggressors. But your “slippery slope” argument is not libertarian. I could do any number of things right now that could end up with some person I’ve never met being thrown in jail for a crime he didn’t commit. I just turned my lights on and off again 100 times. Who knows what the butterfly effect of that action could be? The fact is I haven’t committed aggression, and neither has A.K. Whether or nor her conduct was ethical, etc., is a legitimate point of contention, and I have said time and time again that you and Gary have justification in your anger. But Gary’s incessant hollow threats to use the armed force of the state is both lame and unlibertarian.

Even if the accusation never got as far as police or Child Protective Services involvement, the fact that the accusation was put out there could POTENTIALLY lead to that.

Me farting could eventually lead to a hurricane.

Should the people of New Orleans be able to sue me when I eat a burrito?”

Once again you are talking as if somebody has a law suit against Angela Keaton WHEN THERE IS NO LAW SUIT AGAINST ANGELA KEATON. ONCE AGAIN, THERE IS NO LAW SUIT AGAINST ANGELA KEATON.

The point which I have been driving at over and over is that Angela Keaton should not be on the LNC because she has obvious ethical problems and is mentally unstable. The opinion that Angela Keaton should not be on the LNC also happens to be held by Mary Ruwart.

Fraud pertains to contracts and obligations, Andy.”

Here is the dictionary definition of fraud.

fraud

noun
1. intentional deception resulting in injury to another person
2. a person who makes deceitful pretenses
3. something intended to deceive; deliberate trickery intended to gain an advantage

“If A.K. accuses you of a crime, and then authorities respond, then she has initiated force against you. That has nothing to do with fraud. She would have engaged the police as her agent to initiate force against you.

Has this happened? Have the police come after you? Has she reported you or Gary to the police?”

As of this moment, the police have not come after anybody, however, this is NOT the point as I am talking about the PRINCIPLE. The fact of the matter is that Angela Keaton obviously has no problem with lying about people – including making false criminal accusations about people – for her own gain, which in this case is so the incompetent cretin Sean Haugh can keep his job as Political Director.

The fact that Keaton is willing to lie about people – the worst of which are false accusations of crimes – who expose the corruption of one of her cronies is a violation of Libertarian prinicples and is an abuse of her position on the LNC. Such behavior is destructive to the party.

Even if the accusation never got as far as police or Child Protective Services involvement, the fact that the accusation was put out there could POTENTIALLY lead to that.

Me farting could eventually lead to a hurricane.

Should the people of New Orleans be able to sue me when I eat a burrito?

WEAK logic.

If A.K. accuses you of a crime, and then authorities respond, then she has initiated force against you. That has nothing to do with fraud. She would have engaged the police as her agent to initiate force against you.

Has this happened? Have the police come after you? Has she reported you or Gary to the police?

If she did report the police on you, then it would be the police’s job to determine whether or not her claims were worth of pursuing. If she lied, then she would have committed fraud AGAINST the police, not against you. She would have been entering into a contractual arrangement with the police, whereby it is contractually assumed that she is making claims in good faith.

The only reason for Libertarians to be anti-government is because governments tend to be the biggest purveyors of the initiation of force & fraud, but this doesn’t mean that a person who is not “officially” a “government” is excused if they initiate force or fraud.

“Defamation” is a statist non-crime.

Give this up, Andy.”

This is NOT about defamation as a crime and NEVER was! Falsely accusing people of crimes is NOT the same thing as defamation. CAN’T YOU SEE THE FUCKING DIFFERENCE?!?!?

If somebody says that GE is a jerk then that is defemation. Feelings may be hurt but that’s about it. If somebody says that GE raped his daughter, and if word of this got to the police or to Child Protective Services, GE would get taken away in handcuffs and would lose custody of his daughter. Even if the accusation never got as far as police or Child Protective Services involvement, the fact that the accusation was put out there could POTENTIALLY lead to that.

Let’s say that somebody did put out the rumor that GE raped his daughter, and let’s say that it did lead to the involvement of the police and/or Child Protective Services, I wonder if he would still consider it to be a simple case of “defamation” which is not a libertarian crime.

The fact that Angela Keaton uses that tactic of silencing critics of her cronies by accusing the critics of being criminals speaks VOLUMES about her lack of ethics.

Keaton obviously believes that it is OK to violate her contract as a Libertarian Party member by initiating fraud to achieve her political goal of keeping that slimeball parasite Sean Haugh employeed as Political Director.