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		<title>By: JimDavidson</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/11/milnes-seeks-aid-for-2012-presidential-campaign/comment-page-1/#comment-27268</link>
		<dc:creator>JimDavidson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 06:06:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@33 I&#039;ve never asked for coverage of the membership growth numbers.  They seem to be insignificant to many people in the party, including BTP national committee at large rep Trinward.  I post about them on the BTP site because I think the numbers are significant to BTP members.  

I honestly don&#039;t care what you report at IPR.  It isn&#039;t my property.  I enjoy reading IPR because of the things y&#039;all choose to report, and on which I choose to comment.  As soon as it stops amusing me to post here, I&#039;ll stop.

If you have these powers and don&#039;t intend to threaten or intimidate, then simply use the powers you have.  Mentioning all these terrible things you could do to me is threatening to use them.  All your &quot;I said I won&#039;t&quot; means is, &quot;I could change my mind.&quot;

Which is great.  It encourages me to be more outrageous.  Throw me in the brier patch, Br&#039;er Bear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@33 I&#8217;ve never asked for coverage of the membership growth numbers.  They seem to be insignificant to many people in the party, including BTP national committee at large rep Trinward.  I post about them on the BTP site because I think the numbers are significant to BTP members.  </p>
<p>I honestly don&#8217;t care what you report at IPR.  It isn&#8217;t my property.  I enjoy reading IPR because of the things y&#8217;all choose to report, and on which I choose to comment.  As soon as it stops amusing me to post here, I&#8217;ll stop.</p>
<p>If you have these powers and don&#8217;t intend to threaten or intimidate, then simply use the powers you have.  Mentioning all these terrible things you could do to me is threatening to use them.  All your &#8220;I said I won&#8217;t&#8221; means is, &#8220;I could change my mind.&#8221;</p>
<p>Which is great.  It encourages me to be more outrageous.  Throw me in the brier patch, Br&#8217;er Bear.</p>
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		<title>By: JimDavidson</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/11/milnes-seeks-aid-for-2012-presidential-campaign/comment-page-1/#comment-27267</link>
		<dc:creator>JimDavidson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 06:01:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@34 My goodness, I did.  How droll. lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@34 My goodness, I did.  How droll. lol</p>
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		<title>By: Trent Hill</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/11/milnes-seeks-aid-for-2012-presidential-campaign/comment-page-1/#comment-27264</link>
		<dc:creator>Trent Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 05:56:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I missed a few days...on quote of the day. So i&#039;ll award that to both Jim and Jeremy--for the assist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I missed a few days&#8230;on quote of the day. So i&#8217;ll award that to both Jim and Jeremy&#8211;for the assist.</p>
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		<title>By: Trent Hill</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/11/milnes-seeks-aid-for-2012-presidential-campaign/comment-page-1/#comment-27263</link>
		<dc:creator>Trent Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 05:54:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeremy,

you win quote of the day. =)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeremy,</p>
<p>you win quote of the day. =)</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Young</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/11/milnes-seeks-aid-for-2012-presidential-campaign/comment-page-1/#comment-27262</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 05:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim, did you just tell Milnes to &quot;assume the position&quot;?

Sorry, couldn&#039;t resist...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim, did you just tell Milnes to &#8220;assume the position&#8221;?</p>
<p>Sorry, couldn&#8217;t resist&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Trent Hill</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/11/milnes-seeks-aid-for-2012-presidential-campaign/comment-page-1/#comment-27261</link>
		<dc:creator>Trent Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 05:51:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Davidson,

No threat intended---in fact I explicitly stated that I WASNT going to do any of those things. You can read,right? 

I also explicitly stated my belief in the &quot;free market of ideas,and all that&quot;. So.....where were the threats Jim?

You really have a few screws loose pal. You&#039;re more than welcome to continue shuffling your feet around here--but making assinine statements will only confirm what people already suspect about you. Nevertheless, you&#039;re more than free to MAKE those statements--but i&#039;m going to correct them whenever I feel like it. And this whole &quot;free coverage of the BTP&quot; thing is going to stop. When the BTP does something newsworthy,it&#039;ll get coverage here at IPR. But an explosive growth of 15 BTP members in 4 weeks isnt going to be posted here any longer. Make real news, and you&#039;ll get real coverage. That isnt a threat, it&#039;s a basic statement about our policy. That same policy applies to the ModernWhigs, American Heritage Party, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Davidson,</p>
<p>No threat intended&#8212;in fact I explicitly stated that I WASNT going to do any of those things. You can read,right? </p>
<p>I also explicitly stated my belief in the &#8220;free market of ideas,and all that&#8221;. So&#8230;..where were the threats Jim?</p>
<p>You really have a few screws loose pal. You&#8217;re more than welcome to continue shuffling your feet around here&#8211;but making assinine statements will only confirm what people already suspect about you. Nevertheless, you&#8217;re more than free to MAKE those statements&#8211;but i&#8217;m going to correct them whenever I feel like it. And this whole &#8220;free coverage of the BTP&#8221; thing is going to stop. When the BTP does something newsworthy,it&#8217;ll get coverage here at IPR. But an explosive growth of 15 BTP members in 4 weeks isnt going to be posted here any longer. Make real news, and you&#8217;ll get real coverage. That isnt a threat, it&#8217;s a basic statement about our policy. That same policy applies to the ModernWhigs, American Heritage Party, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: JimDavidson</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/11/milnes-seeks-aid-for-2012-presidential-campaign/comment-page-1/#comment-27260</link>
		<dc:creator>JimDavidson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 05:49:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@25 concur.

There&#039;s really no reason to suppose that this fusion ticket concept is valid.  It would be mildly amusing to see Robert and &quot;woman from party A or B&quot; run, just to see how few votes they got.  Hard to see what would be in it for the woman, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@25 concur.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s really no reason to suppose that this fusion ticket concept is valid.  It would be mildly amusing to see Robert and &#8220;woman from party A or B&#8221; run, just to see how few votes they got.  Hard to see what would be in it for the woman, though.</p>
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		<title>By: JimDavidson</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/11/milnes-seeks-aid-for-2012-presidential-campaign/comment-page-1/#comment-27259</link>
		<dc:creator>JimDavidson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 05:47:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@22 I&#039;m not holding it against you nor requiring it of you.  I&#039;m saying you could run for dog catcher and use that as a qualification for seeking higher office.  You have not impressed me with any qualifications for the office of president, other than the minimal constitutional obligations - being 35+, being natural born, being resident 14+ years.

What you bring to the table is a lot of weird ideas.  These are not qualifications.  They are a lot of weird ideas.  Not all of them are on their face alarming, but some of them are.

You also bring to the table an eagerness for a female running mate.  This approach has seemed at times creepy and at times smarmy.  It is creepy in that it seems like the way you want to relate to women who have ideas different from yours.  It is smarmy in that you seem to think that the only thing a woman is good for is to be the running mate of a man.  It would seem a tad less sexist if you were to assume the vice presidential position from time to time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@22 I&#8217;m not holding it against you nor requiring it of you.  I&#8217;m saying you could run for dog catcher and use that as a qualification for seeking higher office.  You have not impressed me with any qualifications for the office of president, other than the minimal constitutional obligations &#8211; being 35+, being natural born, being resident 14+ years.</p>
<p>What you bring to the table is a lot of weird ideas.  These are not qualifications.  They are a lot of weird ideas.  Not all of them are on their face alarming, but some of them are.</p>
<p>You also bring to the table an eagerness for a female running mate.  This approach has seemed at times creepy and at times smarmy.  It is creepy in that it seems like the way you want to relate to women who have ideas different from yours.  It is smarmy in that you seem to think that the only thing a woman is good for is to be the running mate of a man.  It would seem a tad less sexist if you were to assume the vice presidential position from time to time.</p>
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		<title>By: JimDavidson</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/11/milnes-seeks-aid-for-2012-presidential-campaign/comment-page-1/#comment-27258</link>
		<dc:creator>JimDavidson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 05:43:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@18 lol</description>
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		<title>By: JimDavidson</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/11/milnes-seeks-aid-for-2012-presidential-campaign/comment-page-1/#comment-27257</link>
		<dc:creator>JimDavidson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 05:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@10 Don&#039;t make threats.  If you want to delete my posts and handle, do it.  I don&#039;t care.  It doesn&#039;t matter to me if IPR wants to follow the path of censorship.  If you wanted the free exercise of free expression you wouldn&#039;t make brainless threats.  Threatening me doesn&#039;t intimidate me, it simply enrages me.  If you want a confrontation, I&#039;m eager to have a confrontation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@10 Don&#8217;t make threats.  If you want to delete my posts and handle, do it.  I don&#8217;t care.  It doesn&#8217;t matter to me if IPR wants to follow the path of censorship.  If you wanted the free exercise of free expression you wouldn&#8217;t make brainless threats.  Threatening me doesn&#8217;t intimidate me, it simply enrages me.  If you want a confrontation, I&#8217;m eager to have a confrontation.</p>
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		<title>By: MrMatthew</title>
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		<dc:creator>MrMatthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 05:28:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HOUSEFIRE!?!?!?! Dude, Robert, are you OK?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HOUSEFIRE!?!?!?! Dude, Robert, are you OK?</p>
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		<title>By: G.E.</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/11/milnes-seeks-aid-for-2012-presidential-campaign/comment-page-1/#comment-26880</link>
		<dc:creator>G.E.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 01:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/11/27/tv.anchor.suspect/index.html

Is &quot;Curtis Lavell Vance&quot; an alias for Roberto Milnes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/11/27/tv.anchor.suspect/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/11/27/tv.anchor.suspect/index.html</a></p>
<p>Is &#8220;Curtis Lavell Vance&#8221; an alias for Roberto Milnes?</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Milnes</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/11/milnes-seeks-aid-for-2012-presidential-campaign/comment-page-1/#comment-26606</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Milnes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 10:50:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If there is to be any sort of fusion ticket...&quot;. If not, the libs &amp; greens will continue to lose. If there is, well already losing ticket Kucinich/Ron Paul has been suggested. The closest thing last cycle that almost happened by accident was Gravel/Ruwart which I could have endorsed. I&#039;d have to be deeply involved or it will surely fail. You people are really clueless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If there is to be any sort of fusion ticket&#8230;&#8221;. If not, the libs &amp; greens will continue to lose. If there is, well already losing ticket Kucinich/Ron Paul has been suggested. The closest thing last cycle that almost happened by accident was Gravel/Ruwart which I could have endorsed. I&#8217;d have to be deeply involved or it will surely fail. You people are really clueless.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Gillis</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/11/milnes-seeks-aid-for-2012-presidential-campaign/comment-page-1/#comment-26580</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Gillis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 01:40:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As &quot;clueless&quot; as you claim he is, Robert, he has far more verified supporters than you do.

Seriously, stop doing this to yourself. If there is to be any sort of fusion ticket, it won&#039;t be one with your name on it. You&#039;re just embarassing yourself by keeping this up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As &#8220;clueless&#8221; as you claim he is, Robert, he has far more verified supporters than you do.</p>
<p>Seriously, stop doing this to yourself. If there is to be any sort of fusion ticket, it won&#8217;t be one with your name on it. You&#8217;re just embarassing yourself by keeping this up.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Milnes</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/11/milnes-seeks-aid-for-2012-presidential-campaign/comment-page-1/#comment-26578</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Milnes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 01:38:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charlesd Jay I believe has stated that he is not going to run for office anymore. So all investment in him/his name recognition is lost. He also to the best of my knowledge did not pursue the progressive alliance or endorse it or even had an opinion about it. i.e. was clueless as to how to possibly actually win.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charlesd Jay I believe has stated that he is not going to run for office anymore. So all investment in him/his name recognition is lost. He also to the best of my knowledge did not pursue the progressive alliance or endorse it or even had an opinion about it. i.e. was clueless as to how to possibly actually win.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Milnes</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/11/milnes-seeks-aid-for-2012-presidential-campaign/comment-page-1/#comment-26577</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Milnes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 01:28:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TR was previously elected-Republican. RP also. I&#039;m actually going a far more difficult route.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TR was previously elected-Republican. RP also. I&#8217;m actually going a far more difficult route.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Milnes</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/11/milnes-seeks-aid-for-2012-presidential-campaign/comment-page-1/#comment-26576</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Milnes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 01:26:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The deck is so unfairly stacked against third party/independents that it is unfair to hold it (not having elected office) against or conversely require it from as prerequesite for any.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The deck is so unfairly stacked against third party/independents that it is unfair to hold it (not having elected office) against or conversely require it from as prerequesite for any.</p>
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		<title>By: Trent Hill</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/11/milnes-seeks-aid-for-2012-presidential-campaign/comment-page-1/#comment-26575</link>
		<dc:creator>Trent Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 01:21:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right Robert.

Back to the old game plan.

/ignore Milnes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right Robert.</p>
<p>Back to the old game plan.</p>
<p>/ignore Milnes.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Milnes</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/11/milnes-seeks-aid-for-2012-presidential-campaign/comment-page-1/#comment-26574</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Milnes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 01:17:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is so much nicer to be debated over rather than ignored. (?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is so much nicer to be debated over rather than ignored. (?)</p>
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		<title>By: Trent Hill</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/11/milnes-seeks-aid-for-2012-presidential-campaign/comment-page-1/#comment-26388</link>
		<dc:creator>Trent Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 23:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom,

Suggesting that X would make Candidate A more credible, when one helped to elect and campaign for Candidate B, who lacked X, seems backwards. 
However, not-X IS a detriment to one&#039;s image as a candidate, especially for President.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom,</p>
<p>Suggesting that X would make Candidate A more credible, when one helped to elect and campaign for Candidate B, who lacked X, seems backwards.<br />
However, not-X IS a detriment to one&#8217;s image as a candidate, especially for President.</p>
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