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	<title>Comments on: Libertarian Party blog: Free Market Heroes</title>
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		<title>By: paulie cannoli</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/11/libertarian-party-blog-free-market-heroes/comment-page-1/#comment-26195</link>
		<dc:creator>paulie cannoli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 16:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course. But there would be a lot more if the government did not lull many people into a false sense of security with its certification system, which has many flaws.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course. But there would be a lot more if the government did not lull many people into a false sense of security with its certification system, which has many flaws.</p>
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		<title>By: Ross Levin</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/11/libertarian-party-blog-free-market-heroes/comment-page-1/#comment-26193</link>
		<dc:creator>Ross Levin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 16:35:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is there demand for independent certification?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there demand for independent certification?</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Orvetti</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/11/libertarian-party-blog-free-market-heroes/comment-page-1/#comment-26188</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Orvetti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 11:35:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to work for Rick Berman.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to work for Rick Berman.</p>
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		<title>By: paulie cannoli</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/11/libertarian-party-blog-free-market-heroes/comment-page-1/#comment-26182</link>
		<dc:creator>paulie cannoli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 04:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s why there is demand for independent verification, which there would be far more of if people were not mislead to believe that government is already taking care of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s why there is demand for independent verification, which there would be far more of if people were not mislead to believe that government is already taking care of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Ross Levin</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/11/libertarian-party-blog-free-market-heroes/comment-page-1/#comment-26181</link>
		<dc:creator>Ross Levin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 04:45:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The government has nothing to do with companies setting up their own certification systems in order to mislead customers, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The government has nothing to do with companies setting up their own certification systems in order to mislead customers, though.</p>
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		<title>By: paulie cannoli</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/11/libertarian-party-blog-free-market-heroes/comment-page-1/#comment-26180</link>
		<dc:creator>paulie cannoli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 04:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can&#039;t have real competition among independent verifiers when the government&#039;s intrusion into the certification field distorts that market as much as it does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can&#8217;t have real competition among independent verifiers when the government&#8217;s intrusion into the certification field distorts that market as much as it does.</p>
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		<title>By: Ross Levin</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/11/libertarian-party-blog-free-market-heroes/comment-page-1/#comment-26179</link>
		<dc:creator>Ross Levin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 04:25:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But there&#039;s competition now.  There are various certification systems set up.  Problem is, when a company has set up a certification for its own products only which means nothing, there&#039;s no competition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But there&#8217;s competition now.  There are various certification systems set up.  Problem is, when a company has set up a certification for its own products only which means nothing, there&#8217;s no competition.</p>
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		<title>By: paulie cannoli</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/11/libertarian-party-blog-free-market-heroes/comment-page-1/#comment-26178</link>
		<dc:creator>paulie cannoli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 04:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Competition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Competition.</p>
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		<title>By: Ross Levin</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/11/libertarian-party-blog-free-market-heroes/comment-page-1/#comment-26177</link>
		<dc:creator>Ross Levin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 04:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GE - how would a free market ensure that organic certifications are up to par?  They&#039;re not being regulated at all right now, as far as I know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GE &#8211; how would a free market ensure that organic certifications are up to par?  They&#8217;re not being regulated at all right now, as far as I know.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Druckenmiller</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/11/libertarian-party-blog-free-market-heroes/comment-page-1/#comment-26174</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Druckenmiller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 03:16:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the Whole Planet Foundation website (on microloans):

&lt;I&gt;Interest is charged at lower rates than borrowers would typically receive from usurers or money lenders who charge exorbitant rates in lieu of collateral or to take advantage of the borrower&#039;s inability to obtain credit from traditional sources.&lt;/i&gt;

OH NOES!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the Whole Planet Foundation website (on microloans):</p>
<p><i>Interest is charged at lower rates than borrowers would typically receive from usurers or money lenders who charge exorbitant rates in lieu of collateral or to take advantage of the borrower&#8217;s inability to obtain credit from traditional sources.</i></p>
<p>OH NOES!</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Druckenmiller</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/11/libertarian-party-blog-free-market-heroes/comment-page-1/#comment-26173</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Druckenmiller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 03:14:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>G.E. likes John Mackey?  The one who specifically argued for corporations to consciously undertake social responsibility?

I figured G.E. would just call him a socialist like he does everyone else.

Did you know that the Whole Planet Foundation makes microloans in third world countries at *gasp* &lt;I&gt;below-market rates&lt;/I&gt;???!  With no collateral or contract?  ZOMG G.E. he&#039;s TEH Socialist!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>G.E. likes John Mackey?  The one who specifically argued for corporations to consciously undertake social responsibility?</p>
<p>I figured G.E. would just call him a socialist like he does everyone else.</p>
<p>Did you know that the Whole Planet Foundation makes microloans in third world countries at *gasp* <i>below-market rates</i>???!  With no collateral or contract?  ZOMG G.E. he&#8217;s TEH Socialist!</p>
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		<title>By: paulie cannoli</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/11/libertarian-party-blog-free-market-heroes/comment-page-1/#comment-26170</link>
		<dc:creator>paulie cannoli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 03:05:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He&#039;s an libertarian  btw..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Mackey_(businessman)#Libertarian_ideas</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He&#8217;s an libertarian  btw..</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Mackey_(businessman)#Libertarian_ideas" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Mackey_(businessman)#Libertarian_ideas</a></p>
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		<title>By: G.E.</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/11/libertarian-party-blog-free-market-heroes/comment-page-1/#comment-26167</link>
		<dc:creator>G.E.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 03:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ross - That&#039;s not how private certifications would work in a free market.

John Mackey is the CEO and founder of Whole Foods.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ross &#8211; That&#8217;s not how private certifications would work in a free market.</p>
<p>John Mackey is the CEO and founder of Whole Foods.</p>
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		<title>By: Ross Levin</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/11/libertarian-party-blog-free-market-heroes/comment-page-1/#comment-26164</link>
		<dc:creator>Ross Levin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 01:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GE - I don&#039;t know who he is, that&#039;s what I was asking.

As for private certifications, they tend to be more lenient.  They make the company look good by giving them a certification, but the company doesn&#039;t have to meet the USDA&#039;s standards and it doesn&#039;t have to pay to be certified.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GE &#8211; I don&#8217;t know who he is, that&#8217;s what I was asking.</p>
<p>As for private certifications, they tend to be more lenient.  They make the company look good by giving them a certification, but the company doesn&#8217;t have to meet the USDA&#8217;s standards and it doesn&#8217;t have to pay to be certified.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Druckenmiller</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/11/libertarian-party-blog-free-market-heroes/comment-page-1/#comment-26163</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Druckenmiller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 01:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;socialism (n.) - Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.&lt;/I&gt;

Do you see &quot;also, critics of payday lending&quot; in there anywhere, G.E.?

Didn&#039;t think so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>socialism (n.) &#8211; Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.</i></p>
<p>Do you see &#8220;also, critics of payday lending&#8221; in there anywhere, G.E.?</p>
<p>Didn&#8217;t think so.</p>
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		<title>By: G.E.</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/11/libertarian-party-blog-free-market-heroes/comment-page-1/#comment-26162</link>
		<dc:creator>G.E.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 01:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;There are some private organic certifiers out there, but some of them are concocted by big businesses to make themselves look better.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well they have to impose tighter standards than the USDA, etc., right?

Regardless: In the absence of government, there would be less inherent trust in certifications, and thus, a private certifier would jealously guard its reputation. Anyone lying about certification to make big business look good would quickly be exposed, and their verification seal would be worthless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>There are some private organic certifiers out there, but some of them are concocted by big businesses to make themselves look better.</p></blockquote>
<p>Well they have to impose tighter standards than the USDA, etc., right?</p>
<p>Regardless: In the absence of government, there would be less inherent trust in certifications, and thus, a private certifier would jealously guard its reputation. Anyone lying about certification to make big business look good would quickly be exposed, and their verification seal would be worthless.</p>
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		<title>By: G.E.</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/11/libertarian-party-blog-free-market-heroes/comment-page-1/#comment-26161</link>
		<dc:creator>G.E.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 01:42:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ross - From what I know about Mackey, he qualifies as a &quot;free market hero.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ross &#8211; From what I know about Mackey, he qualifies as a &#8220;free market hero.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: G.E.</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/11/libertarian-party-blog-free-market-heroes/comment-page-1/#comment-26160</link>
		<dc:creator>G.E.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 01:41:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Yes, payday lenders just *happen* to be set up in poor, urban areas because they are heroes!

Or, alternatively, they are aware that the undereducated make easy targets.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

SOCIALIST ALERT! SOCIALIST ALERT!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Yes, payday lenders just *happen* to be set up in poor, urban areas because they are heroes!</p>
<p>Or, alternatively, they are aware that the undereducated make easy targets.</p></blockquote>
<p>SOCIALIST ALERT! SOCIALIST ALERT!</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Druckenmiller</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/11/libertarian-party-blog-free-market-heroes/comment-page-1/#comment-26159</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Druckenmiller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 01:37:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;I&gt;Iâ€™d also nominate EZCorp as a wonderful free-market corporations serving the needs of the poor where banks will not.&lt;/I&gt;

This is known in the biz as &quot;picking a fight&quot;. 

Yes, payday lenders just *happen* to be set up in poor, urban areas because they are heroes!

Or, alternatively, they are aware that the undereducated make easy targets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Iâ€™d also nominate EZCorp as a wonderful free-market corporations serving the needs of the poor where banks will not.</i></p>
<p>This is known in the biz as &#8220;picking a fight&#8221;. </p>
<p>Yes, payday lenders just *happen* to be set up in poor, urban areas because they are heroes!</p>
<p>Or, alternatively, they are aware that the undereducated make easy targets.</p>
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		<title>By: Ross Levin</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/11/libertarian-party-blog-free-market-heroes/comment-page-1/#comment-26157</link>
		<dc:creator>Ross Levin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 01:06:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about him?

There are some private organic certifiers out there, but some of them are concocted by big businesses to make themselves look better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about him?</p>
<p>There are some private organic certifiers out there, but some of them are concocted by big businesses to make themselves look better.</p>
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