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	<title>Comments on: Deadline to apply for Libertarian National Platform committee is this week (Nov. 16)</title>
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		<title>By: Coming Back to the LP</title>
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		<dc:creator>Coming Back to the LP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 13:33:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Steve LaBianca, above:

The LP platform should be a principled, hard hitting, well written and well reasoned document that lays out the libertarian position on or solution to a variety of important issues and problems.  

The LP platform does NOT have to limit itself to national issues, but can include any significant issue even if it is relevant at the state or local level.  While we are members of a national party, we all have state and local concerns as well and it is fully appropriate to address those conerns in a national platform.

The idea of having a &quot;program&quot; of immediate or intermediate steps toward liberty, that are improvements and move us in a Libertarian direction, while the platform lays out our principled beliefs on where we should ultimately end up, is the best way to go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Steve LaBianca, above:</p>
<p>The LP platform should be a principled, hard hitting, well written and well reasoned document that lays out the libertarian position on or solution to a variety of important issues and problems.  </p>
<p>The LP platform does NOT have to limit itself to national issues, but can include any significant issue even if it is relevant at the state or local level.  While we are members of a national party, we all have state and local concerns as well and it is fully appropriate to address those conerns in a national platform.</p>
<p>The idea of having a &#8220;program&#8221; of immediate or intermediate steps toward liberty, that are improvements and move us in a Libertarian direction, while the platform lays out our principled beliefs on where we should ultimately end up, is the best way to go.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve LaBianca</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/11/deadline-to-apply-for-libertarian-national-platform-committee-is-this-week-nov-16/comment-page-1/#comment-23765</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve LaBianca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:43:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter Orvetti  // Nov 12, 2008 at 9:36 am

&lt;i&gt;The platform is fine the way it is.

No REAL Libertarian Party member would EVER say that!!!&lt;/i&gt;

I believe that I am a &quot;REAL Libertarian&quot;, and I absolutely do NOT say that.  I think the current platform, the so-called &quot;directional&quot; platform as opposed to the originally crafted &quot;principled&quot; platform is extremely inappropriate.  

The problem isn&#039;t so much that it is anti-libertarian, but that it leaves so much out.  Plus, it doesn&#039;t (as far as I can tell) relate its directional nature (ie. each plank), back to the guiding, philosophical or economic principle, which IS libertarianism.  Simply working TOWARD libertarianism isn&#039;t libertarianism per se.  Working TOWARD achieving a libertarian society is a STRATEGY, and if LP&#039;ers want a document to emphasize strategy, fine.  Let&#039;s craft one, a sort of &quot;LP Program&quot;, like the that which was crafted in the late 1980&#039;s and 1990&#039;s.  

The PLATFORM is, IMHO, NOT (and SHOULD NOT be) a strategy oriented document. It should be a principled document. 

The founders of the LP had it right.  Craft a platform that is completely adherent to the non-aggression principle, with hard hitting specific references to how our current system of law, current laws themselves, and government structure and function, all violate non-aggression . . . that is violates libertarianism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter Orvetti  // Nov 12, 2008 at 9:36 am</p>
<p><i>The platform is fine the way it is.</p>
<p>No REAL Libertarian Party member would EVER say that!!!</i></p>
<p>I believe that I am a &#8220;REAL Libertarian&#8221;, and I absolutely do NOT say that.  I think the current platform, the so-called &#8220;directional&#8221; platform as opposed to the originally crafted &#8220;principled&#8221; platform is extremely inappropriate.  </p>
<p>The problem isn&#8217;t so much that it is anti-libertarian, but that it leaves so much out.  Plus, it doesn&#8217;t (as far as I can tell) relate its directional nature (ie. each plank), back to the guiding, philosophical or economic principle, which IS libertarianism.  Simply working TOWARD libertarianism isn&#8217;t libertarianism per se.  Working TOWARD achieving a libertarian society is a STRATEGY, and if LP&#8217;ers want a document to emphasize strategy, fine.  Let&#8217;s craft one, a sort of &#8220;LP Program&#8221;, like the that which was crafted in the late 1980&#8242;s and 1990&#8242;s.  </p>
<p>The PLATFORM is, IMHO, NOT (and SHOULD NOT be) a strategy oriented document. It should be a principled document. </p>
<p>The founders of the LP had it right.  Craft a platform that is completely adherent to the non-aggression principle, with hard hitting specific references to how our current system of law, current laws themselves, and government structure and function, all violate non-aggression . . . that is violates libertarianism.</p>
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		<title>By: paulie cannoli</title>
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		<dc:creator>paulie cannoli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:56:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, last time after the committee was appointed, they set up one or more fora - yahoo group, blog page - where interested party members who are not on the committee could provide their input. 

I can&#039;t guarantee that this will happen again, but it probably will, and I hope it does. If you decide to participate in the process, you may well be able to, although you will not have a vote on the committee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, last time after the committee was appointed, they set up one or more fora &#8211; yahoo group, blog page &#8211; where interested party members who are not on the committee could provide their input. </p>
<p>I can&#8217;t guarantee that this will happen again, but it probably will, and I hope it does. If you decide to participate in the process, you may well be able to, although you will not have a vote on the committee.</p>
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		<title>By: Melty Rox</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/11/deadline-to-apply-for-libertarian-national-platform-committee-is-this-week-nov-16/comment-page-1/#comment-23761</link>
		<dc:creator>Melty Rox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:53:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hmmm... it&#039;s doubtful that I&#039;ll be living in the Western Hemisphere in the near future. If I&#039;d send plank ideas, it would not be as a serious applicant. Would it be of any consequence to send something anyway, Paulie?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hmmm&#8230; it&#8217;s doubtful that I&#8217;ll be living in the Western Hemisphere in the near future. If I&#8217;d send plank ideas, it would not be as a serious applicant. Would it be of any consequence to send something anyway, Paulie?</p>
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		<title>By: paulie cannoli</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/11/deadline-to-apply-for-libertarian-national-platform-committee-is-this-week-nov-16/comment-page-1/#comment-23693</link>
		<dc:creator>paulie cannoli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 03:29:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The way I have heard it explained, they want to make sure that you know how to write and have at least some work ethic. 

Submitting sample planks does not mean you intend to actually submit those planks. 

Also, I suppose for anyone not known to the LNC members personally, it helps them to gauge what kind of ideas they have, so they can strike what they consider the proper balance on the committee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The way I have heard it explained, they want to make sure that you know how to write and have at least some work ethic. </p>
<p>Submitting sample planks does not mean you intend to actually submit those planks. </p>
<p>Also, I suppose for anyone not known to the LNC members personally, it helps them to gauge what kind of ideas they have, so they can strike what they consider the proper balance on the committee.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Orvetti</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/11/deadline-to-apply-for-libertarian-national-platform-committee-is-this-week-nov-16/comment-page-1/#comment-23692</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Orvetti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 03:27:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find the requirement to &quot;draft and submit via e-mail three proposed or modified platform planks&quot; interesting.  What if someone just wants to trim the platform, or help be an honest broker between factions?  Isn&#039;t there room for someone who wants to help craft a solid platform without going in with an agenda?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find the requirement to &#8220;draft and submit via e-mail three proposed or modified platform planks&#8221; interesting.  What if someone just wants to trim the platform, or help be an honest broker between factions?  Isn&#8217;t there room for someone who wants to help craft a solid platform without going in with an agenda?</p>
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		<title>By: Libertarian Joseph</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/11/deadline-to-apply-for-libertarian-national-platform-committee-is-this-week-nov-16/comment-page-1/#comment-23565</link>
		<dc:creator>Libertarian Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>damnit. Messed that part up.

Anyway, we need to set our agenda t the federal level, not the libertarian philosophy. How do we create a free market system at the federal level? That implies that we are going to ignore the policies of states. Are we going to overrule state governments? Otherwise....  there&#039;s no reason even stating we are for free markets in our national party&#039;s platform.

but that&#039;s just my opinion :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>damnit. Messed that part up.</p>
<p>Anyway, we need to set our agenda t the federal level, not the libertarian philosophy. How do we create a free market system at the federal level? That implies that we are going to ignore the policies of states. Are we going to overrule state governments? Otherwise&#8230;.  there&#8217;s no reason even stating we are for free markets in our national party&#8217;s platform.</p>
<p>but that&#8217;s just my opinion <img src='http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Libertarian Joseph</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/11/deadline-to-apply-for-libertarian-national-platform-committee-is-this-week-nov-16/comment-page-1/#comment-23561</link>
		<dc:creator>Libertarian Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:21:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At the federal level, it&#039;s more about what we&#039;re against rather than what we are for.

The federal government is nothing but a united state sanctioned organization. The states are to the federal government what the federal UN is to the federal government.

Why was the federal gov created? to create a unifying voice for all states, to conduct foreign affairs, etc. Not to declare war on a plant and trample on its state sponsors</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the federal level, it&#8217;s more about what we&#8217;re against rather than what we are for.</p>
<p>The federal government is nothing but a united state sanctioned organization. The states are to the federal government what the federal UN is to the federal government.</p>
<p>Why was the federal gov created? to create a unifying voice for all states, to conduct foreign affairs, etc. Not to declare war on a plant and trample on its state sponsors</p>
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		<title>By: Libertarian Joseph</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/11/deadline-to-apply-for-libertarian-national-platform-committee-is-this-week-nov-16/comment-page-1/#comment-23559</link>
		<dc:creator>Libertarian Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:15:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>we oppose bailouts

we oppose the collusion of church &amp; state</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>we oppose bailouts</p>
<p>we oppose the collusion of church &amp; state</p>
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		<title>By: paulie cannoli</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/11/deadline-to-apply-for-libertarian-national-platform-committee-is-this-week-nov-16/comment-page-1/#comment-23558</link>
		<dc:creator>paulie cannoli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:15:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;For months Iâ€™ve been saying that just by removing the euphemisms (namely â€œgenderâ€ and â€œhealthcareâ€) one would greatly improve the platform, but few seem to recognize the importance of doing so.&lt;/i&gt;

Well, see, that&#039;s just what this thread is about. If you want to have any input on the platform, you need to email out those platform planks. have you done that? You have less than five days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>For months Iâ€™ve been saying that just by removing the euphemisms (namely â€œgenderâ€ and â€œhealthcareâ€) one would greatly improve the platform, but few seem to recognize the importance of doing so.</i></p>
<p>Well, see, that&#8217;s just what this thread is about. If you want to have any input on the platform, you need to email out those platform planks. have you done that? You have less than five days.</p>
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		<title>By: Libertarian Joseph</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/11/deadline-to-apply-for-libertarian-national-platform-committee-is-this-week-nov-16/comment-page-1/#comment-23557</link>
		<dc:creator>Libertarian Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:14:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yup. Where we agree:

we oppose socialized medcine

we oppose the war on drugs

we oppose illegal wars

we oppose involuntary socialized education</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yup. Where we agree:</p>
<p>we oppose socialized medcine</p>
<p>we oppose the war on drugs</p>
<p>we oppose illegal wars</p>
<p>we oppose involuntary socialized education</p>
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		<title>By: Melty Rox</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/11/deadline-to-apply-for-libertarian-national-platform-committee-is-this-week-nov-16/comment-page-1/#comment-23556</link>
		<dc:creator>Melty Rox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:13:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>curious how many applicants?</description>
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		<title>By: Libertarian Joseph</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/11/deadline-to-apply-for-libertarian-national-platform-committee-is-this-week-nov-16/comment-page-1/#comment-23555</link>
		<dc:creator>Libertarian Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:12:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can also maybe have a national LP platform based on what we&#039;re against.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can also maybe have a national LP platform based on what we&#8217;re against.</p>
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		<title>By: Melty Rox</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/11/deadline-to-apply-for-libertarian-national-platform-committee-is-this-week-nov-16/comment-page-1/#comment-23553</link>
		<dc:creator>Melty Rox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:12:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s the buzzword &quot;healthcare&quot; that&#039;s so offensive. It&#039;s the going euphemism for &quot;socialized Medicine&quot;. I say call it like it is. 

The platform should be (about) what the party overwhelmingly agrees upon. Is there any such thing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s the buzzword &#8220;healthcare&#8221; that&#8217;s so offensive. It&#8217;s the going euphemism for &#8220;socialized Medicine&#8221;. I say call it like it is. </p>
<p>The platform should be (about) what the party overwhelmingly agrees upon. Is there any such thing?</p>
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		<title>By: Melty Rox</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/11/deadline-to-apply-for-libertarian-national-platform-committee-is-this-week-nov-16/comment-page-1/#comment-23551</link>
		<dc:creator>Melty Rox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too think that&#039;s the kind of question to be asking, Joseph.  I think there should be some commonality, ... where there&#039;s strong consensus only, bring it up, ...a bare-bones platform for the candidates to flesh out.

Oh well, ...folks with more fortitude than us will fill those posts. I&#039;m all talk, and my excuse is I&#039;m overseas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too think that&#8217;s the kind of question to be asking, Joseph.  I think there should be some commonality, &#8230; where there&#8217;s strong consensus only, bring it up, &#8230;a bare-bones platform for the candidates to flesh out.</p>
<p>Oh well, &#8230;folks with more fortitude than us will fill those posts. I&#8217;m all talk, and my excuse is I&#8217;m overseas.</p>
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		<title>By: Libertarian Joseph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Libertarian Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:51:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It depends on what you want the FEDERAL government to do. It says we should have free market healthcare. But how do you do enact this at the federal level, unless you oppose state&#039;s rights? Unless you want to centralize power? I don&#039;t get it. Is the platform about how Washington DC will operate?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It depends on what you want the FEDERAL government to do. It says we should have free market healthcare. But how do you do enact this at the federal level, unless you oppose state&#8217;s rights? Unless you want to centralize power? I don&#8217;t get it. Is the platform about how Washington DC will operate?</p>
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		<title>By: Melty Rox</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/11/deadline-to-apply-for-libertarian-national-platform-committee-is-this-week-nov-16/comment-page-1/#comment-23549</link>
		<dc:creator>Melty Rox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:48:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For months I&#039;ve been saying that just by removing the euphemisms (namely &quot;gender&quot; and &quot;healthcare&quot;) one would greatly improve the platform, but few seem to recognize the importance of doing so.

Incidently, I applaud Brian Holtz&#039;s efforts in drafting the current platform. Now streamlined, it&#039;s far better than the previous, and much more workable for the incoming Platform Committee. 

As it stands, less is still more. It could be terser yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For months I&#8217;ve been saying that just by removing the euphemisms (namely &#8220;gender&#8221; and &#8220;healthcare&#8221;) one would greatly improve the platform, but few seem to recognize the importance of doing so.</p>
<p>Incidently, I applaud Brian Holtz&#8217;s efforts in drafting the current platform. Now streamlined, it&#8217;s far better than the previous, and much more workable for the incoming Platform Committee. </p>
<p>As it stands, less is still more. It could be terser yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Libertarian Joseph</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/11/deadline-to-apply-for-libertarian-national-platform-committee-is-this-week-nov-16/comment-page-1/#comment-23548</link>
		<dc:creator>Libertarian Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:43:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hmm. why have a platform at all? Leave it to the candidates</description>
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		<title>By: paulie cannoli</title>
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		<dc:creator>paulie cannoli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:05:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LJ, 

This post  is actually not intended as a forum for proposed platform planks, although I don&#039;t care if you want to keep posting about that here. 

It&#039;s actually just notice for those people who DO want to help craft the next platform that there is a looming deadline to apply to be on that committee. Otherwise, you will have little input, if any.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LJ, </p>
<p>This post  is actually not intended as a forum for proposed platform planks, although I don&#8217;t care if you want to keep posting about that here. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s actually just notice for those people who DO want to help craft the next platform that there is a looming deadline to apply to be on that committee. Otherwise, you will have little input, if any.</p>
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		<title>By: Libertarian Joseph</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/11/deadline-to-apply-for-libertarian-national-platform-committee-is-this-week-nov-16/comment-page-1/#comment-23527</link>
		<dc:creator>Libertarian Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 14:25:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>but that&#039;s all subjective. anywho, is there any other option tha federalism? leaving mostissues to states. if we end the war on drugs, do we go and mandate that states legalize them as well?

Kubby said: &quot;states have no rights, individuals have rights&quot;

I like it. but can we rationally argue in favor of centralizing power?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>but that&#8217;s all subjective. anywho, is there any other option tha federalism? leaving mostissues to states. if we end the war on drugs, do we go and mandate that states legalize them as well?</p>
<p>Kubby said: &#8220;states have no rights, individuals have rights&#8221;</p>
<p>I like it. but can we rationally argue in favor of centralizing power?</p>
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