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		<title>By: paulie cannoli</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/11/barr-surpasses-badnarik-and-browne-totals/comment-page-2/#comment-27060</link>
		<dc:creator>paulie cannoli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anyone know of another link that has an apples-to-apples turnout estimate comparison?</description>
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		<title>By: paulie cannoli</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/11/barr-surpasses-badnarik-and-browne-totals/comment-page-2/#comment-26831</link>
		<dc:creator>paulie cannoli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 19:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s where I left off my draft before I realized the 2008 and 2004 turnout were not calculated the same way: 

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This grew out of an earlier post, 3rd through 6th place, Presidential popular vote by percentage, 1992 to present.

One or more of our readers have complained that percentages are not a purely correct way to measure the performance of independent candidates and smaller parties. The reasoning goes something like this: suppose a smaller party has a million supporters, and a larger party has a hundred million supporters. The smaller party might already be turning out a much higher percentage of its supporters than the larger party. Thus, if the larger party boosts its turnout - say from 50% to 60% - the smaller party cannot even in theory boost its turnout enough to keep from slipping in terms of percentage of the overall vote.

However, a response to this argument is that pure popular vote numbers is also a skewed way to measure a partyâ€™s performance from one election to the next. The population of the US is growing. The average age of Americans is getting older, meaning that there are more eligible voters. Also, the motor voter act and expanded voter registration programs have contributed to the expansion of the electorate.

Thus, the present post will multiply the percentages of the popular vote from the original post by the turnout data for each year, taken from wikipedia. Caveat: the votes have continued to be counted since the original post, thus the 2008 percentages are off slightly. Also, wikipedia does not have the 2008 voter turnout finalized. This article gives an estimate of 60.7%-61.7% turnout this year. I will estimate it at 61% for the purpose of this post.

2008
Nader 0.52% Independent * .61 = 0.32%
Barr 0.40% Libertarian * .61 = 0.24%
Baldwin 0.14% Constitution * .61 = 0.09%
McKinney 0.11% Green * .61 = 0.07%

2004
Nader 0.38% Independent *.567 = 0.22%
Badnarik 0.32% Libertarian *.567 = 0.18%
Peroutka 0.12% Constitution *.567 = 0.07%
Cobb 0.10% Green *.567 = 0.06%

2000
Nader 2.73% Green *.513 =
Buchanan 0.43% Reform
Browne 0.36% Libertarian
Phillips 0.11% Constitution

1996
Perot 8.40% Reform
Nader 0.71% Green
Browne 0.50% Libertarian
Phillips 0.19% Constitution

1992
Perot 18.91% Independent
Marrou 0.28% Libertarian
Gritz 0.10% Populist
Fulani 0.07% New Alliance
[Phillips 0.04%] 7th place, including him since the CP is still active

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s where I left off my draft before I realized the 2008 and 2004 turnout were not calculated the same way: </p>
<p><i></p>
<p>This grew out of an earlier post, 3rd through 6th place, Presidential popular vote by percentage, 1992 to present.</p>
<p>One or more of our readers have complained that percentages are not a purely correct way to measure the performance of independent candidates and smaller parties. The reasoning goes something like this: suppose a smaller party has a million supporters, and a larger party has a hundred million supporters. The smaller party might already be turning out a much higher percentage of its supporters than the larger party. Thus, if the larger party boosts its turnout &#8211; say from 50% to 60% &#8211; the smaller party cannot even in theory boost its turnout enough to keep from slipping in terms of percentage of the overall vote.</p>
<p>However, a response to this argument is that pure popular vote numbers is also a skewed way to measure a partyâ€™s performance from one election to the next. The population of the US is growing. The average age of Americans is getting older, meaning that there are more eligible voters. Also, the motor voter act and expanded voter registration programs have contributed to the expansion of the electorate.</p>
<p>Thus, the present post will multiply the percentages of the popular vote from the original post by the turnout data for each year, taken from wikipedia. Caveat: the votes have continued to be counted since the original post, thus the 2008 percentages are off slightly. Also, wikipedia does not have the 2008 voter turnout finalized. This article gives an estimate of 60.7%-61.7% turnout this year. I will estimate it at 61% for the purpose of this post.</p>
<p>2008<br />
Nader 0.52% Independent * .61 = 0.32%<br />
Barr 0.40% Libertarian * .61 = 0.24%<br />
Baldwin 0.14% Constitution * .61 = 0.09%<br />
McKinney 0.11% Green * .61 = 0.07%</p>
<p>2004<br />
Nader 0.38% Independent *.567 = 0.22%<br />
Badnarik 0.32% Libertarian *.567 = 0.18%<br />
Peroutka 0.12% Constitution *.567 = 0.07%<br />
Cobb 0.10% Green *.567 = 0.06%</p>
<p>2000<br />
Nader 2.73% Green *.513 =<br />
Buchanan 0.43% Reform<br />
Browne 0.36% Libertarian<br />
Phillips 0.11% Constitution</p>
<p>1996<br />
Perot 8.40% Reform<br />
Nader 0.71% Green<br />
Browne 0.50% Libertarian<br />
Phillips 0.19% Constitution</p>
<p>1992<br />
Perot 18.91% Independent<br />
Marrou 0.28% Libertarian<br />
Gritz 0.10% Populist<br />
Fulani 0.07% New Alliance<br />
[Phillips 0.04%] 7th place, including him since the CP is still active</p>
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		<title>By: paulie cannoli</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/11/barr-surpasses-badnarik-and-browne-totals/comment-page-2/#comment-26774</link>
		<dc:creator>paulie cannoli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 14:30:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Working on this now. However, I don&#039;t see where your link has a turnout percentage for this election. This analysis might be more easily performed after all the votes finish being tallied.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Working on this now. However, I don&#8217;t see where your link has a turnout percentage for this election. This analysis might be more easily performed after all the votes finish being tallied.</p>
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		<title>By: paulie cannoli</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/11/barr-surpasses-badnarik-and-browne-totals/comment-page-1/#comment-25415</link>
		<dc:creator>paulie cannoli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 02:04:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks! 

I&#039;ll see about making that a new post in a little while.</description>
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<p>I&#8217;ll see about making that a new post in a little while.</p>
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		<title>By: George Dance</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/11/barr-surpasses-badnarik-and-browne-totals/comment-page-1/#comment-25414</link>
		<dc:creator>George Dance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 02:01:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;If you can figure out a way of calculating the percentage of registered and/or eligible voters each of them got each year - US citizens of age, not disqualified by state law for crimes or mental incompetence - you may have half a point. More research than I want to do, though.&lt;/i&gt;

It&#039;s all a matter of finding the right web page. I used: 
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0781453.html

Based on those figures, and Barr&#039;s latest (511,893), your ranking still holds, but the percentage differences between Browne, Paul, and Barr drop from 0.1% to 0.01%. 

1. Clark - .55%
2. Browne 96 - .24%
3. Paul - .23%
4. Barr - .22%
5. Browne 00 - .18%
6. Badnarik - .179%</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>If you can figure out a way of calculating the percentage of registered and/or eligible voters each of them got each year &#8211; US citizens of age, not disqualified by state law for crimes or mental incompetence &#8211; you may have half a point. More research than I want to do, though.</i></p>
<p>It&#8217;s all a matter of finding the right web page. I used:<br />
<a href="http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0781453.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0781453.html</a></p>
<p>Based on those figures, and Barr&#8217;s latest (511,893), your ranking still holds, but the percentage differences between Browne, Paul, and Barr drop from 0.1% to 0.01%. </p>
<p>1. Clark &#8211; .55%<br />
2. Browne 96 &#8211; .24%<br />
3. Paul &#8211; .23%<br />
4. Barr &#8211; .22%<br />
5. Browne 00 &#8211; .18%<br />
6. Badnarik &#8211; .179%</p>
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		<title>By: paulie cannoli</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/11/barr-surpasses-badnarik-and-browne-totals/comment-page-1/#comment-22501</link>
		<dc:creator>paulie cannoli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 16:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Without checking, I&#039;m going to guess that McCain 08 got more votes than Bush 88, 00 or 04 did. It doesn&#039;t mean he&#039;ll be moving into the white house, though. Percentages are more important than raw numbers. 

Turning out your voters is just as much the job of the Libertarian candidate as the other parties&#039; candidates. If they can inspire 60% of their likely voters to show up to vote and the Libertarian candidate inspires 50% of Libertarians to do something else on election day, yes, that matters. 

If a Libertarian had been elected to Congress, it would have been with less votes than Barr received for president. Yet, it would have been a bigger deal. Elections are all about percentages. Raw votes are much less important.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Without checking, I&#8217;m going to guess that McCain 08 got more votes than Bush 88, 00 or 04 did. It doesn&#8217;t mean he&#8217;ll be moving into the white house, though. Percentages are more important than raw numbers. </p>
<p>Turning out your voters is just as much the job of the Libertarian candidate as the other parties&#8217; candidates. If they can inspire 60% of their likely voters to show up to vote and the Libertarian candidate inspires 50% of Libertarians to do something else on election day, yes, that matters. </p>
<p>If a Libertarian had been elected to Congress, it would have been with less votes than Barr received for president. Yet, it would have been a bigger deal. Elections are all about percentages. Raw votes are much less important.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Orvetti</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Orvetti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 08:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As of this morning, with 98% tallied, Barr-Root has 490,594.</description>
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		<title>By: libertyforone</title>
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		<dc:creator>libertyforone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 07:19:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that percentages are more important.  

I hope the LP learns from this disaster.  They put up a faker who promised to get them 20 million votes and did no better than any other year.  Despite the fact that this year, thanks to Ron Paul, they could have.  

We may never have a chance like this again:  a chance to make a difference and be taken seriously.  The LP makes me sick.  They sold their soul and their message for what?  Nothing.  They got nothing.  

Worse, I now have a step-father who is throwing Barr&#039;s very neo-con positions in my face and he now thinks that is what a libertarian is.  Just when I was starting to make headway.

Bob Barr underperformed by at least twenty times what he stated.  I sure hope they learn.  I know a ton of libertarians in a lot of groups who all refused to vote for Barr.  In fact, I don&#039;t know one person who did vote for him.  How bad do you have to be to have libertarians not vote for you?  

We are not sheep.  We vote for the person and not the party.  Principles matter.  I hope the party learned.  Because this showing is dismal for this year considering how much exposure the LP got.  Barr got much more coverage than any of the other candidates and we can&#039;t even count how much Internet exposure was worth.  He should have blown the other guys off the page in comparison.  Instead, he couldn&#039;t even do as well.  Pathetic.

&quot;We could a been a contender.&quot;  

sniff sniff</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that percentages are more important.  </p>
<p>I hope the LP learns from this disaster.  They put up a faker who promised to get them 20 million votes and did no better than any other year.  Despite the fact that this year, thanks to Ron Paul, they could have.  </p>
<p>We may never have a chance like this again:  a chance to make a difference and be taken seriously.  The LP makes me sick.  They sold their soul and their message for what?  Nothing.  They got nothing.  </p>
<p>Worse, I now have a step-father who is throwing Barr&#8217;s very neo-con positions in my face and he now thinks that is what a libertarian is.  Just when I was starting to make headway.</p>
<p>Bob Barr underperformed by at least twenty times what he stated.  I sure hope they learn.  I know a ton of libertarians in a lot of groups who all refused to vote for Barr.  In fact, I don&#8217;t know one person who did vote for him.  How bad do you have to be to have libertarians not vote for you?  </p>
<p>We are not sheep.  We vote for the person and not the party.  Principles matter.  I hope the party learned.  Because this showing is dismal for this year considering how much exposure the LP got.  Barr got much more coverage than any of the other candidates and we can&#8217;t even count how much Internet exposure was worth.  He should have blown the other guys off the page in comparison.  Instead, he couldn&#8217;t even do as well.  Pathetic.</p>
<p>&#8220;We could a been a contender.&#8221;  </p>
<p>sniff sniff</p>
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		<title>By: paulie cannoli</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/11/barr-surpasses-badnarik-and-browne-totals/comment-page-1/#comment-22460</link>
		<dc:creator>paulie cannoli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 04:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you can figure out a way of calculating the percentage of registered and/or eligible voters each of them got each year - US citizens of age, not disqualified by state law for crimes or mental incompetence - you may have half a point. More research than I want to do, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you can figure out a way of calculating the percentage of registered and/or eligible voters each of them got each year &#8211; US citizens of age, not disqualified by state law for crimes or mental incompetence &#8211; you may have half a point. More research than I want to do, though.</p>
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		<title>By: paulie cannoli</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/11/barr-surpasses-badnarik-and-browne-totals/comment-page-1/#comment-22458</link>
		<dc:creator>paulie cannoli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 04:37:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, raw numbers are more relevant than percentages? I completely disagree.</description>
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		<title>By: George Dance</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/11/barr-surpasses-badnarik-and-browne-totals/comment-page-1/#comment-22449</link>
		<dc:creator>George Dance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 03:14:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[Barr is] &lt;i&gt;Still 4th in percentage, which is the more relevant figure, behind Ron Paul (1988) and Harry Browne (1996). &lt;/i&gt; 

Yes, I read that in your other threads; and I explained there why that&#039;s misleading. Those were the two years of lowest-ever turnout for a presidential election. In 1996 it fell to 50.1%, and in 1988 it was below 50% for the first and only time. Of course that makes all the third-part y percentages higher than normal for those years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[Barr is] <i>Still 4th in percentage, which is the more relevant figure, behind Ron Paul (1988) and Harry Browne (1996). </i> </p>
<p>Yes, I read that in your other threads; and I explained there why that&#8217;s misleading. Those were the two years of lowest-ever turnout for a presidential election. In 1996 it fell to 50.1%, and in 1988 it was below 50% for the first and only time. Of course that makes all the third-part y percentages higher than normal for those years.</p>
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		<title>By: paulie cannoli</title>
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		<dc:creator>paulie cannoli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 02:14:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.nolanchart.com/article5410.html
&lt;i&gt;

by David F. Nolan
(Libertarian)
Wednesday, November 5, 2008

Those of us who were hoping for a big upturn in the vote for third-party Presidential candidates this year were sorely disappointed. In a column posted here two days ago, I expressed the hope and expectation that Bob Barr would get two to three times as many votes as Michael Badnarik received in 2004. The reality was far different. As I write this, about 121.6 million votes have been tallied, with Barr getting 488,449 or 0.40%. Ralph Nader did about 35% better, with 655,847. As additional votes are logged, everyone&#039;s totals should rise by as much as 10%.

No national totals are available so far for Chuck Baldwin and Cynthia McKinney, but based on very sketchy data it appears that Baldwin may have received 200,000 to 250,000 votes, while McKinney received less than 200,000.

In my last column, posted two days ago, I suggested that one fair measure of the alternative candidates&#039; performance would be how much their vote totals increased vs. their performance (or their party&#039;s performance) in 2004. Using this measure, Nader is up about 40% so far and Barr has surpassed Badnarik by about 23%. (These figures will rise as additional votes are reported.) Baldwin may have beaten the 2004 CP total of 143,860 by as much as 75%, almost entirely due to Ron Paul&#039;s endorsement.

None of these numbers give any of the candidates or their supporters much reason to rejoice. If anything, they demonstrate, once again, that relatively unknown and hugely underfunded third-party candidates cannot realistically compete at the Presidential level.

Barr&#039;s showing of 0.40% puts his results right in line with other Libertarian Presidential campaigns. In 1988, Ron Paul received 0.47% of the popular vote total. In 1992, Andre Marrou got 0.28%. In 1996, Harry Browne got 0.50%, and in 2000 he got 0.36%. In 2004, Michael Badnarik received 0.32%. The average percentage for the last five elections was thus 0.39% -- almost exactly what Barr got this time. The argument that by going &quot;mainstream&quot; the LP could improve its results by a factor of ten or more proved to be completely false. The Libertarian ticket would most likely have gotten a very similar vote total with Root, Ruwart or Kubby as the nominee.

Barr&#039;s best showing was in Indiana, where he received more than 1% of the vote, and narrowly beat the spread between Obama and McCain. Barr was the only &quot;alternative&quot; choice on the ballot in that state. His next-best showing was in his home state of Georgia, where he received about 0.75%. Third-best: Texas, with 0.70%. In both Georgia and Texas, as in Indiana, Barr was the only alternative to Obama and McCain. Other states where Barr broke 0.50% include Wyoming, North Carolina, Arizona and Kansas. It appears that the only state where both Barr and Nader were listed on the ballot and Barr beat Nader was Arizona.

Ron Paul&#039;s name appeared on the ballot in two states: Montana and Louisiana. He received about 2.1% in Montana and about 0.5% in Louisiana. In several states, his endorsed choice for President, Chuck Baldwin, did better than Barr. These included ultra-conservative Utah (1.25%), along with Idaho (0.7%), South Dakota (0.5%), Nebraska (0.4%) and, oddly, liberal Oregon (0.4%). Quite probably, Paul&#039;s endorsement boosted Baldwin&#039;s showing in these and other states, but the total &quot;Paul effect&quot; was apparently less than 50,000 votes nationwide.

(Please note: All of the above figures and percentages are based on incomplete data. As many as 12 million votes have not yet been reported, with 5 million or more uncounted in California alone. So if some of these numbers later prove to be slightly off, bear that in mind!)
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<p>by David F. Nolan<br />
(Libertarian)<br />
Wednesday, November 5, 2008</p>
<p>Those of us who were hoping for a big upturn in the vote for third-party Presidential candidates this year were sorely disappointed. In a column posted here two days ago, I expressed the hope and expectation that Bob Barr would get two to three times as many votes as Michael Badnarik received in 2004. The reality was far different. As I write this, about 121.6 million votes have been tallied, with Barr getting 488,449 or 0.40%. Ralph Nader did about 35% better, with 655,847. As additional votes are logged, everyone&#8217;s totals should rise by as much as 10%.</p>
<p>No national totals are available so far for Chuck Baldwin and Cynthia McKinney, but based on very sketchy data it appears that Baldwin may have received 200,000 to 250,000 votes, while McKinney received less than 200,000.</p>
<p>In my last column, posted two days ago, I suggested that one fair measure of the alternative candidates&#8217; performance would be how much their vote totals increased vs. their performance (or their party&#8217;s performance) in 2004. Using this measure, Nader is up about 40% so far and Barr has surpassed Badnarik by about 23%. (These figures will rise as additional votes are reported.) Baldwin may have beaten the 2004 CP total of 143,860 by as much as 75%, almost entirely due to Ron Paul&#8217;s endorsement.</p>
<p>None of these numbers give any of the candidates or their supporters much reason to rejoice. If anything, they demonstrate, once again, that relatively unknown and hugely underfunded third-party candidates cannot realistically compete at the Presidential level.</p>
<p>Barr&#8217;s showing of 0.40% puts his results right in line with other Libertarian Presidential campaigns. In 1988, Ron Paul received 0.47% of the popular vote total. In 1992, Andre Marrou got 0.28%. In 1996, Harry Browne got 0.50%, and in 2000 he got 0.36%. In 2004, Michael Badnarik received 0.32%. The average percentage for the last five elections was thus 0.39% &#8212; almost exactly what Barr got this time. The argument that by going &#8220;mainstream&#8221; the LP could improve its results by a factor of ten or more proved to be completely false. The Libertarian ticket would most likely have gotten a very similar vote total with Root, Ruwart or Kubby as the nominee.</p>
<p>Barr&#8217;s best showing was in Indiana, where he received more than 1% of the vote, and narrowly beat the spread between Obama and McCain. Barr was the only &#8220;alternative&#8221; choice on the ballot in that state. His next-best showing was in his home state of Georgia, where he received about 0.75%. Third-best: Texas, with 0.70%. In both Georgia and Texas, as in Indiana, Barr was the only alternative to Obama and McCain. Other states where Barr broke 0.50% include Wyoming, North Carolina, Arizona and Kansas. It appears that the only state where both Barr and Nader were listed on the ballot and Barr beat Nader was Arizona.</p>
<p>Ron Paul&#8217;s name appeared on the ballot in two states: Montana and Louisiana. He received about 2.1% in Montana and about 0.5% in Louisiana. In several states, his endorsed choice for President, Chuck Baldwin, did better than Barr. These included ultra-conservative Utah (1.25%), along with Idaho (0.7%), South Dakota (0.5%), Nebraska (0.4%) and, oddly, liberal Oregon (0.4%). Quite probably, Paul&#8217;s endorsement boosted Baldwin&#8217;s showing in these and other states, but the total &#8220;Paul effect&#8221; was apparently less than 50,000 votes nationwide.</p>
<p>(Please note: All of the above figures and percentages are based on incomplete data. As many as 12 million votes have not yet been reported, with 5 million or more uncounted in California alone. So if some of these numbers later prove to be slightly off, bear that in mind!)<br />
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		<title>By: TheOriginalAndy</title>
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		<description>&quot;George Dance // Nov 5, 2008 at 9:59 pm 

As we speak, Barrâ€™s vote total has crept up to 489,661 (with 98% of polls reporting), per
http://news.aol.com/elections/2008/president#presResults

which makes him the second best vote-getter, after Ed Clark.&quot;

Population and voter turn out has increased since 1996,  so by this standard,  Hary Browne beat Bob Barr.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;George Dance // Nov 5, 2008 at 9:59 pm </p>
<p>As we speak, Barrâ€™s vote total has crept up to 489,661 (with 98% of polls reporting), per<br />
<a href="http://news.aol.com/elections/2008/president#presResults" rel="nofollow">http://news.aol.com/elections/2008/president#presResults</a></p>
<p>which makes him the second best vote-getter, after Ed Clark.&#8221;</p>
<p>Population and voter turn out has increased since 1996,  so by this standard,  Hary Browne beat Bob Barr.</p>
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		<title>By: paulie cannoli</title>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;which makes him the second best vote-getter, after Ed Clark. &lt;/i&gt;

Still 4th in percentage, which is the more relevant figure, behind Ron Paul (1988) and Harry Browne (1996).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>which makes him the second best vote-getter, after Ed Clark. </i></p>
<p>Still 4th in percentage, which is the more relevant figure, behind Ron Paul (1988) and Harry Browne (1996).</p>
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		<title>By: sunshinebatman</title>
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		<description>Jim Dave, why are you so obsessed with race?  I find it rather distatsteful.  There was another racist commenter on here yesterday attacking Keyes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim Dave, why are you so obsessed with race?  I find it rather distatsteful.  There was another racist commenter on here yesterday attacking Keyes.</p>
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