See above where I call for a review of the corrupt and mistaken practices of the LP in ballot access work.

Thank you for acknowledging this, GE!

I’ve said it about 100 times in this thread. Including to your buddy Gary before he called me a statist for advocating less government than him.

Andy – The accusations were B.S. and everyone knows it.”

Thank you for acknowledging this, GE!

“Trying to get Sean Haugh out of the LP is like trying to get the Nazi Party to throw out some dude for being a racist: The LP is a CORRUPT organization TO ITS CORE. You can’t ‘uncorrupt’ it anymore than you can make the Nazi Party into an antiracist party. Your efforts and your inability to realize this are getting to be pathetic.

It’s okay for Mary Ruwart. And it’s okay for you and Gary. Anyone who attacked you for having this view has stopped paying attention a LONG time ago.

When you’re through fixing the LP, how about you move on to the mafia, and get them back to their origins as an ethnic social club. Then you can reform the Bloods and Crips and turn them into an urban version of the Boy Scouts. After all, you’ll have your hard work behind you.”

Damn, and I thought that I was cynical.

@444 (Wow, 444) Mary Ruwart has her own halo and impenetrable radical shield. There is something odd about you speaking of a double standard applying to Keaton/Haugh with regard to the attacks on Ruwart, and then using Ruwart’s vote to have Keaton apologise as evidence of a double standard. It is a twisted knot to me, now.”

Yes, it is a twisted knot indeed, but this is the reality of the situation.

“No one is answering the ‘Why is Angela Keaton defending Sean Haugh’ question because only Angela can answer, and she’s smart enough to stay away from this wicked googly.”

I think that nobody is touching it because they are AFRAID to touch it. They don’t want to admitt that Angela Keaton is defending a guy who took part in a smear against radical Libertarian icon Mary Ruwart.

“@429 If someone is needed on a ballot, I would rely on neither Keaton nor Fincher, but Paulie. I believe Tom Knapp has made this point, as well.”

And Paulie himself would be likely to rely on Fincher as Paulie does not have a car or a current drivers license, and Paulie also knows that Fincher is one of the best petitioners out there.

Stop the wars.

It’s okay for Mary Ruwart. And it’s okay for you and Gary. Anyone who attacked you for having this view has stopped paying attention a LONG time ago.

When you’re through fixing the LP, how about you move on to the mafia, and get them back to their origins as an ethnic social club. Then you can reform the Bloods and Crips and turn them into an urban version of the Boy Scouts. After all, you’ll have your hard work behind you.

No one is answering the “Why is Angela Keaton defending Sean Haugh” question because only Angela can answer, and she’s smart enough to stay away from this wicked googly.

@429 If someone is needed on a ballot, I would rely on neither Keaton nor Fincher, but Paulie. I believe Tom Knapp has made this point, as well.

“You’re only exposing yourself as the Don Quixote of Libertarian Party internecine politics. No one is paying attention to you accept people who are trying to tell you to give up and move on with your life.”

So it is OK to pay attention when the accusers are making accusations, but when the accused tries to clear their name by giving the real story they should just shut up. Talk about a double standard.

And speaking of double standards, why is it OK for Mary Ruwart to say that Angela Keaton should not be on the LNC, but if Gary or I say that Angela Keaton should not be on the LNC we get attacked?

I’m not going to roll over and give up. I will continue to expose the incompetence and corruption that is present in LP National.

You’re only exposing yourself as the Don Quixote of Libertarian Party internecine politics. No one is paying attention to you accept people who are trying to tell you to give up and move on with your life.

HOW COME NOBODY HAS ANWSERED THE QUESTION OF WHY IS ANGELA KEATON DEFENDING SEAN HAUGH WHEN SEAN HAUGH WAS THE CO-AUTHOR OF THE PRESS RELEASE THAT WAS MEANT AS A CHEAP SHOT AT MARY RUWART?

ALSO, NOTE THAT MARY RUWART IS ON THE SAME PAGE AS I AM WHEN IT COMES TO ANGELA KEATON AS SHE ALSO WANTS HER OFF OF THE LNC.

Incidentily, Gary and I both voted for Mary Ruwart to be the Libertarian Party’s candidate for President at the National Convention, and unlike our votes for Angela Keaton which we both regret, we do not regret voting for Mary Ruwart.

AFAIK, it just quoted Ruwart directly…

No, it did not quote or even mention Mary Ruwart. What it did do was call for increased federal involvement in tracking down and prosecuting child pornography. Many libertarians objected to this because of a belief that the federal government has no constitutional authority in this area, even if they believe that there should be a crackdown on child pornography (some do, some don’t).

Others felt it is not the job of the Libertarian Party to call for increasing any aspect of government, since there already so many forces doing that, and so few working to make it smaller across the board. Still others felt it was an inappropriate policy making move by LPHQ, since it did not conform to the platform or any LNC resolution.

Others yet objected to it as an apparent attack against one of the leading candidates for the party’s presidential nomination, and thus a violation of LPHQ ethics to interfere with and tilt the nomination process. Since Mary Ruwart was not named in the release, there was plausible deniability on this point, but the timing was suspicious, and subsequent leaks have confirmed that it was in fact a direct response to the Ruwart controversy.

To correct one thing: Shane was not forced to resign. In fact, as I understand it, Bill Redpath begged him to stay on, but Shane was offended that people were questioning his judgment, giving him heat, asking for him to be fired or to resign over this, so he quit.

The reason this was brought up here was because Sean Haugh was a co-author of this press release, which was opposed strongly by many of the same people who support are likely to support Angela. The point was that Angela is defending Sean Haugh. It is also a matter of record that Mary Ruwart voted for a resolution asking Angela to resign from the LNC.

The point here was not to argue once yet again the merits of the release in question itself, which was a dead horse a long, long time ago. If you still want to read it, I am sure you are as capable of doing internet searches as I am. I would be surprised if the text of it was not somewhere on third party watch.

This thread was already too gross, and now it’s even grosser.

Yeah, but that’s still not as gross as it is going to get.

“NEWSFLASH: What you’re doing isn’t ever going to change that. Give up.”

I’m not going to roll over and give up.

You are both correct.

@435 I think it is really important to expose and criticise the incompetence of the LP, especially at the national level, especially where their incompetent implementation of a poorly conceived top down structure fails at critical functions, like 50 state (plus territories and DC) ballot access. I would love to see this thread, or another new one, dedicated to discussing the actual critical path to ballot access success. I think the weaknesses in strategy, tactics, implementation, operations, and personal actions should be examined. If for no other reason, because I’d like the Boston Tea Party to benefit from the lessons learned.

Go ahead and put it up at Next Free Voice. We have more subject latitude there.

That’s the damn problem!!!

I was going to say that. But then I thought better of it because I was trying to let this thread die in peace. But nooooo…

Possibly most significant was the execution of hated tyrant Qifu Mumo. Tree of liberty, blood of tyrants, etc.

Stop the wars.