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	<title>Comments on: Thirteen presidential candidates on ballot in Florida</title>
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		<title>By: paulie cannoli</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/10/fourteen-presidential-candidates-on-ballot-in-florida/comment-page-1/#comment-18972</link>
		<dc:creator>paulie cannoli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 14:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I would definitely prefer local democracy to national oligarchy.
&lt;/i&gt;

Exactly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I would definitely prefer local democracy to national oligarchy.<br />
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<p>Exactly.</p>
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		<title>By: paulie cannoli</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/10/fourteen-presidential-candidates-on-ballot-in-florida/comment-page-1/#comment-18971</link>
		<dc:creator>paulie cannoli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 14:19:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The actual Ni4D law would establish direct democracy at all levels of government except the international level. &lt;/i&gt;

Why not the international level? 

&lt;i&gt;The Ni4D doesnâ€™t advocate for a more centralized or decentralized government or anything like that - just that people are more involved in the government.&lt;/i&gt;

Instead of creating another branch of the federal government, we should be working to take power away from it and move it down to as local a level as possible, and ultimately to individuals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The actual Ni4D law would establish direct democracy at all levels of government except the international level. </i></p>
<p>Why not the international level? </p>
<p><i>The Ni4D doesnâ€™t advocate for a more centralized or decentralized government or anything like that &#8211; just that people are more involved in the government.</i></p>
<p>Instead of creating another branch of the federal government, we should be working to take power away from it and move it down to as local a level as possible, and ultimately to individuals.</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh Jass</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/10/fourteen-presidential-candidates-on-ballot-in-florida/comment-page-1/#comment-18937</link>
		<dc:creator>Hugh Jass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 02:48:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would definitely prefer local democracy to national oligarchy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would definitely prefer local democracy to national oligarchy.</p>
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		<title>By: Ross Levin</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/10/fourteen-presidential-candidates-on-ballot-in-florida/comment-page-1/#comment-18932</link>
		<dc:creator>Ross Levin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 02:05:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The actual Ni4D law would establish direct democracy at all levels of government except the international level.  The Ni4D doesn&#039;t advocate for a more centralized or decentralized government or anything like that - just that people are more involved in the government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The actual Ni4D law would establish direct democracy at all levels of government except the international level.  The Ni4D doesn&#8217;t advocate for a more centralized or decentralized government or anything like that &#8211; just that people are more involved in the government.</p>
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		<title>By: paulie cannoli</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/10/fourteen-presidential-candidates-on-ballot-in-florida/comment-page-1/#comment-18931</link>
		<dc:creator>paulie cannoli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 01:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops, blew a tag. 

&lt;i&gt;It requires that you have faith in the people to make intelligent decisions as a whole.
&lt;/i&gt;

No. You can be for it if you think people are generally dumb, venal and corrupt. Just as long as you think politicians and lobbyists are even more so. 

On the other hand, as a decentralist, I would rather work for I &amp; R in more states and/or towns rather than at the federal or international level.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, blew a tag. </p>
<p><i>It requires that you have faith in the people to make intelligent decisions as a whole.<br />
</i></p>
<p>No. You can be for it if you think people are generally dumb, venal and corrupt. Just as long as you think politicians and lobbyists are even more so. </p>
<p>On the other hand, as a decentralist, I would rather work for I &#038; R in more states and/or towns rather than at the federal or international level.</p>
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		<title>By: paulie cannoli</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/10/fourteen-presidential-candidates-on-ballot-in-florida/comment-page-1/#comment-18930</link>
		<dc:creator>paulie cannoli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 01:53:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;It requires that you have faith in the people to make intelligent decisions as a whole.
&lt;i&gt;

No. You can be for it if you think people are generally dumb, venal and corrupt. Just as long as you think politicians and lobbyists are even more so. 

On the other hand, as a decentralist, I would rather work for I &amp; R in more states and/or towns rather than at the federal or international level.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>It requires that you have faith in the people to make intelligent decisions as a whole.<br />
</i><i></p>
<p>No. You can be for it if you think people are generally dumb, venal and corrupt. Just as long as you think politicians and lobbyists are even more so. </p>
<p>On the other hand, as a decentralist, I would rather work for I &#038; R in more states and/or towns rather than at the federal or international level.</i></p>
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		<title>By: Ross Levin</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/10/fourteen-presidential-candidates-on-ballot-in-florida/comment-page-1/#comment-18929</link>
		<dc:creator>Ross Levin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 01:28:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Libertarians fought for the initiative process?</description>
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		<title>By: Michael Gilson-De Lemos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Gilson-De Lemos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 01:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s remember that, far from a breeze,  Florida once had the toughest ballot requirements in the country and now has some of the most sensible, thanks to a 3 decade fight by the Libertarians.

It also has an initiative process and a bias for appointive, not elected officials , again, thanks in  good part to the efforts of the Libertarians there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s remember that, far from a breeze,  Florida once had the toughest ballot requirements in the country and now has some of the most sensible, thanks to a 3 decade fight by the Libertarians.</p>
<p>It also has an initiative process and a bias for appointive, not elected officials , again, thanks in  good part to the efforts of the Libertarians there.</p>
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		<title>By: Ross Levin</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/10/fourteen-presidential-candidates-on-ballot-in-florida/comment-page-1/#comment-18924</link>
		<dc:creator>Ross Levin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 00:50:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It requires that you have faith in the people to make intelligent decisions as a whole.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It requires that you have faith in the people to make intelligent decisions as a whole.</p>
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		<title>By: paulie cannoli</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/10/fourteen-presidential-candidates-on-ballot-in-florida/comment-page-1/#comment-18919</link>
		<dc:creator>paulie cannoli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 00:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It does not. It just requires that you have even less faith in Congress and lobbyists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It does not. It just requires that you have even less faith in Congress and lobbyists.</p>
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		<title>By: Ross Levin</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/10/fourteen-presidential-candidates-on-ballot-in-florida/comment-page-1/#comment-18913</link>
		<dc:creator>Ross Levin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 23:51:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think the general public is stupid.  I think a lot more of them are apathetic than stupid.  I support the national initiative, after all, which requires a lot of faith in the people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think the general public is stupid.  I think a lot more of them are apathetic than stupid.  I support the national initiative, after all, which requires a lot of faith in the people.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas L. Knapp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas L. Knapp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 23:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ross,

For the sake of argument, and only for that sake, I&#039;ll stipulate to the possibility of rampant voter stupidity.

Even stupid voters probably aren&#039;t so stupid that they&#039;re not going to be offended when someone gets up in their grills and tells them &quot;you&#039;re stupid&quot; -- in the context of asking them for their votes, or opining as to whether or not they&#039;re intelligent enough to -- by analogy -- look at a menu and choose an entree.

And, of course, if the voters &lt;em&gt;are&lt;/em&gt; stupid ... well, who was it that chose the &quot;major party&quot; candidates in the primary process? If they were stupid, then they made stupid choices ... so why constrain them to those particular stupid choices on the next go-round? Even if they&#039;re stupid, they might randomly make better choices if they have the opportunity to do so, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ross,</p>
<p>For the sake of argument, and only for that sake, I&#8217;ll stipulate to the possibility of rampant voter stupidity.</p>
<p>Even stupid voters probably aren&#8217;t so stupid that they&#8217;re not going to be offended when someone gets up in their grills and tells them &#8220;you&#8217;re stupid&#8221; &#8212; in the context of asking them for their votes, or opining as to whether or not they&#8217;re intelligent enough to &#8212; by analogy &#8212; look at a menu and choose an entree.</p>
<p>And, of course, if the voters <em>are</em> stupid &#8230; well, who was it that chose the &#8220;major party&#8221; candidates in the primary process? If they were stupid, then they made stupid choices &#8230; so why constrain them to those particular stupid choices on the next go-round? Even if they&#8217;re stupid, they might randomly make better choices if they have the opportunity to do so, right?</p>
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		<title>By: JimDavidson</title>
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		<dc:creator>JimDavidson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 19:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many voters are stupid, Ross.

So are many non-voters.

Given the proportions of registered and not voting, unregistered (and prevented from voting if they get a mood to vote) and registered to voting, there are probably more stupid people not voting than voting every year.  And rather many stupid people counting, or pretending to count, the votes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many voters are stupid, Ross.</p>
<p>So are many non-voters.</p>
<p>Given the proportions of registered and not voting, unregistered (and prevented from voting if they get a mood to vote) and registered to voting, there are probably more stupid people not voting than voting every year.  And rather many stupid people counting, or pretending to count, the votes.</p>
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		<title>By: Ross Levin</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/10/fourteen-presidential-candidates-on-ballot-in-florida/comment-page-1/#comment-18881</link>
		<dc:creator>Ross Levin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 19:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lot of people WOULD say that the voters are stupid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of people WOULD say that the voters are stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas L. Knapp</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/10/fourteen-presidential-candidates-on-ballot-in-florida/comment-page-1/#comment-18875</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas L. Knapp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:59:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, parties in Florida don&#039;t have to &quot;have at least 27 members.&quot; They have to designate 27 &lt;em&gt;electors&lt;/em&gt;.

Presumably not all members are interested in being, or even necessarily qualified to serve as, presidential electors.

That said, the quote seems to imply that easy ballot access is a bad thing, and I disagree.  It shouldn&#039;t be government&#039;s job to limit availability to the voters of qualified candidates from whom to choose.

When some &quot;third parties should STFU&quot; type complains that there are too many choices, he&#039;s revealing his implicit opinion that the voters are too stupid to distinguish between candidates -- in which case I&#039;d say that he&#039;s really saying the voters are too stupid to vote, period.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, parties in Florida don&#8217;t have to &#8220;have at least 27 members.&#8221; They have to designate 27 <em>electors</em>.</p>
<p>Presumably not all members are interested in being, or even necessarily qualified to serve as, presidential electors.</p>
<p>That said, the quote seems to imply that easy ballot access is a bad thing, and I disagree.  It shouldn&#8217;t be government&#8217;s job to limit availability to the voters of qualified candidates from whom to choose.</p>
<p>When some &#8220;third parties should STFU&#8221; type complains that there are too many choices, he&#8217;s revealing his implicit opinion that the voters are too stupid to distinguish between candidates &#8212; in which case I&#8217;d say that he&#8217;s really saying the voters are too stupid to vote, period.</p>
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