Posted at Campaign for Liberty
The Libertarian Party Candidate admonished me for “remaining neutral†in the presidential race and not stating whom I will vote for in November. It’s true; I have done exactly that due to my respect and friendship and support from both the Constitution and Libertarian Party members. I remain a lifetime member of the Libertarian Party and I’m a ten-term Republican Congressman. It is not against the law to participate in more then one political party. Chuck Baldwin has been a friend and was an active supporter in the presidential campaign.
I continue to wish the Libertarian and Constitution Parties well. The more votes they get, the better. I have attended Libertarian Party conventions frequently over the years.
In some states, one can be on the ballots of two parties, as they can in New York. This is good and attacks the monopoly control of politics by Republicans and Democrats. We need more states to permit this option. This will be a good project for the Campaign for Liberty, along with the alliance we are building to change the process.
I’ve thought about the unsolicited advice from the Libertarian Party candidate, and he has convinced me to reject my neutral stance in the November election. I’m supporting Chuck Baldwin, the Constitution Party candidate.
203 responses so far ↓
1 Andy Craig // Sep 22, 2008 at 5:27 pm
Good fucking job, Bob Barr. You pushed the most prominent libertarian in America to support a fucking theocrat with your childish antics.
2 Ross Levin // Sep 22, 2008 at 5:28 pm
Ron Paul supporters - If I were you, I would take a look here before voting for Baldwin:
http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/09/libertarian-reform-leader-tells-paul-supporters-to-check-out-cp-platform/
3 G.E. // Sep 22, 2008 at 5:31 pm
WOW!!!
4 Galileo Galilei // Sep 22, 2008 at 5:35 pm
Baldwin is the only full fledged 9/11 Truther running for president and now has the endorsements of Alex Jones and Ron Paul.
Baldwin is also a great public speaker.
Don’t be surprised if Baldwin gets more votes than Barr.
I’m still voting for Barr, though.
5 Fred Church Ortiz // Sep 22, 2008 at 5:35 pm
HOLY MOTHER OF CHRIST!
6 paulie cannoli // Sep 22, 2008 at 5:36 pm
Baldwin is the only full fledged 9/11 Truther running for president
What about McKinney?
7 Peter Orvetti // Sep 22, 2008 at 5:36 pm
Yep, this is probably the biggest news for our unique subject area of the media all year.
8 G.E. // Sep 22, 2008 at 5:36 pm
Am I honor-bound to vote Baldw9n now? I think I might be.
To the LNC: GOOD JOB!
Down with the LP! Down with the LIARS who said there would be no fallout from Snubgate. You are ALL miserable pieces of trash.
9 paulie cannoli // Sep 22, 2008 at 5:36 pm
I have to say I am not surprised.
10 Peter Orvetti // Sep 22, 2008 at 5:37 pm
But will he campaign for him? Or make this endorsement more public than just one blog entry?
11 paulie cannoli // Sep 22, 2008 at 5:37 pm
Down with the LP!
Up with the LP. Down with Starr’s and Barr’s party.
12 millerpolitics // Sep 22, 2008 at 5:38 pm
Will Paul even be able to vote for him? Is Baldwin a qualified write in in Texas?
13 Anti-Corporate // Sep 22, 2008 at 5:38 pm
Bob Barr really blew it!
He’s delusional about his own standing. Rather than respectfully accepting whatever degree of support he could get from Ron Paul–whose general endorsement of third-party / independent candidates was very pro-democracy–he thought he could bolster himself by insisting that he was in a class of his own. Of course he has very little hope of doing as well as Nader in this election, much less of garnering more support than Ron Paul has. But in his own mind, apparently, he’s a cut above the rest, irrespective of what all the polls say.
14 paulie cannoli // Sep 22, 2008 at 5:39 pm
Don’t be surprised if Baldwin gets more votes than Barr.
The way this is going, Barr could come in sixth.
Missing that press conference had to be the dumbest move of what has been a tragicomically mismanaged campaign.
15 paulie cannoli // Sep 22, 2008 at 5:40 pm
Will Paul even be able to vote for him? Is Baldwin a qualified write in in Texas?
Yes.
16 paulie cannoli // Sep 22, 2008 at 5:40 pm
Bob Barr really blew it!
He’s delusional about his own standing. Rather than respectfully accepting whatever degree of support he could get from Ron Paul–whose general endorsement of third-party / independent candidates was very pro-democracy–he thought he could bolster himself by insisting that he was in a class of his own. Of course he has very little hope of doing as well as Nader in this election, much less of garnering more support than Ron Paul has. But in his own mind, apparently, he’s a cut above the rest, irrespective of what all the polls say.
Exactly.
17 paulie cannoli // Sep 22, 2008 at 5:42 pm
Down with the LP!
You might notice that even in making the endorsement, Dr. Paul says good things about the LP and wishes them well.
18 Galileo Galilei // Sep 22, 2008 at 5:42 pm
“What about McKinney?”
McKinney is LIHOP, Baldwin is MIHOP.
McKinney is probably MIHOP in private, but only Baldwin is openly MIHOP.
For candidates trying to raise awareness, its what you say that counts.
19 paulie cannoli // Sep 22, 2008 at 5:44 pm
McKinney is LIHOP, Baldwin is MIHOP.
McKinney is probably MIHOP in private, but only Baldwin is openly MIHOP.
Do you have references handy on that?
20 Peter Orvetti // Sep 22, 2008 at 5:45 pm
Huh? What’s this about IHOP?
21 Ross Levin // Sep 22, 2008 at 5:45 pm
LIHOP? MIHOP?
22 Steven R Linnabary // Sep 22, 2008 at 5:45 pm
But will he campaign for him? Or make this endorsement more public than just one blog entry?
One way for the Barr campaign to GUARANTEE that Ron Paul actively campaign for Baldwin would be for the Barr campaign to further piss off the Hon. Ron Paul. I’ll bet Shane Cory is writing an explosive news release right now.
PEACE
Steve
23 paulie cannoli // Sep 22, 2008 at 5:46 pm
Chalk one more brilliant move up for Russ Verney, on par with the way he treated Jesse Ventura when the latter was a sitting Reform Party Governor and exploring a presidential bid.
24 chuckmoulton // Sep 22, 2008 at 5:46 pm
I wonder if this will cause the Bob Barr campaign and apologists for Barr’s action to admit what a colossal error it was.
That said, I’m glad the blog entry made clear that Ron Paul still supports the LP even though Barr treated him like dirt.
25 paulie cannoli // Sep 22, 2008 at 5:47 pm
LIHOP=Let it (9.11 attacks) happen on purpose
MIHOP=Made it happen on purpose
IHOP=International House of Pancakes
26 Fred Church Ortiz // Sep 22, 2008 at 5:49 pm
I wonder if this will cause the Bob Barr campaign and apologists for Barr’s action to admit what a colossal error it was.
It is encouraging to know some people still believe anything is possible. The answer is no.
27 Galileo Galilei // Sep 22, 2008 at 5:50 pm
“McKinney is LIHOP, Baldwin is MIHOP.
McKinney is probably MIHOP in private, but only Baldwin is openly MIHOP.
Do you have references handy on that?”
I’ve seen hour long videos of Baldwin ranting about 9/11 and the New World Order. He’s a fantastic public speaker.
I have never seen a MIHOP statement from McKinney, only LIHOP. I could be wrong, though.
LIHOP = Let It Happen On Purpose
MIHOP = Make It Happen On Purpose
28 Andy Craig // Sep 22, 2008 at 5:51 pm
The fact that Baldwin is in Alex Jones tinfoil-hat territory is supposed to be a *good* thing?
29 johnlowell // Sep 22, 2008 at 5:51 pm
A fitting end to “Shmendrik Gate” and the candidacy of Bob Barr. Such a schmegeggie, Barr.
30 Galileo Galilei // Sep 22, 2008 at 5:53 pm
“IHOP=International House of Pancakes”
Ha! That’s a good one!
BIHOP = Barr Is Hoppin’ Mad!
The lesson here is to speak the truth about 9/11, rather than to be anal-retentive about it.
31 VTV // Sep 22, 2008 at 5:54 pm
I once again say, I still don’t feel that this was a “mistake”. Bob has now managed to alienate all the new voting base that the LP delegates who were telling me to vote for Barr were claiming they were trying to court. He has taken the third party with the best ballot access and sent it’s ticket straight into the ground.
Maybe it’s time that the LP members start leaving the party for the BTP and the CP depending on what they prefer.
32 mscrib // Sep 22, 2008 at 5:54 pm
Great. Ron Paul and his supporters deserve someone who takes the threat posed by the amero and the NAU more seriously than Bob Barr….
33 paulie cannoli // Sep 22, 2008 at 5:54 pm
One way for the Barr campaign to GUARANTEE that Ron Paul actively campaign for Baldwin would be for the Barr campaign to further piss off the Hon. Ron Paul. I’ll bet Shane Cory is writing an explosive news release right now.
Will somebody reading this at BarrHQ please jump him if he is doing that? Gordon, I’m talking to you.
We’ll figure out how it’s justified under the non-initiation of force principle afterwards.
34 svf // Sep 22, 2008 at 5:55 pm
Pastor Baldwin, eh? maybe Ron Paul DID write “those newsletters” after all…
35 paulie cannoli // Sep 22, 2008 at 5:56 pm
BizARRe emBARRassment
36 johnlowell // Sep 22, 2008 at 5:57 pm
Ortiz,
“HOLY MOTHER OF CHRIST!”
Careful, Ortiz, Baldwin’s Protestant and may not understand.
37 svf // Sep 22, 2008 at 5:59 pm
… meaning to say, in so many words, it is now Ron Paul marginalizing himself and his C4L by embracing a truly “fringe” candidate and platform.
I don’t quite get it… doesn’t really seem like Ron Paul’s style to be so spiteful and short-sighted. Maybe one of the C4L guys penned this press release.
Oh well, everyone loses pretty much. Ron Paul loses credibiliy, Barr loses RP’s flock, and Baldwin loses as soon as people look into his past writings and the CP platform.
So much for the “year of the libertarians”. Bah.
38 G.E. // Sep 22, 2008 at 6:01 pm
I revoke my endorsement of Nader… I need to think now. If Baldwin has a shot to beat out Barr… I just want to see Barr get fourth (or worse).
39 donald raymond lake // Sep 22, 2008 at 6:01 pm
Ortiz,
‘Holy Mother of Christ’
—–was that REALLY necessary?
And Ron Paul, a OGB- GYN whom
claims that out on 12K patients,
NOT ONE needed an abortion.
I had one wife [ONE] and had she
gotten pregnany again, the doctors,
THE REAL DOCTORS, said it might
kill her.
Zero out of 12,000.
One out of one.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
40 paulie cannoli // Sep 22, 2008 at 6:02 pm
… meaning to say, in so many words, it is now Ron Paul marginalizing himself and his C4L by embracing a truly “fringe†candidate and platform.
Given that Ron Paul has far more supporters than either the LP or CP do, no.
41 Fred Church Ortiz // Sep 22, 2008 at 6:03 pm
Don: Yes.
And, they told my mother that too. She’s fine though, and so am I, thanks.
42 paulie cannoli // Sep 22, 2008 at 6:04 pm
I’ve seen hour long videos of Baldwin ranting about 9/11 and the New World Order.
Are any of them online?
43 paulie cannoli // Sep 22, 2008 at 6:07 pm
“IHOP=International House of Pancakesâ€
Ha! That’s a good one!
IHOP=WTC7?
44 paulie cannoli // Sep 22, 2008 at 6:09 pm
He has taken the third party with the best ballot access and sent it’s ticket straight into the ground.
Hell, even the “best ballot access” title is now up for grabs.
45 Galileo Galilei // Sep 22, 2008 at 6:12 pm
2008 PETITIONING FOR PRESIDENT
(updated September 16, 2008)
TOTAL STATES ON THE BALLOT
Libertarian Party Green Party Constitution Party Nader (Indep.)
44 32 37 46
View State-by-State Chart
http://www.ballot-access.org/
The CP has 37 states so far, the LP 44.
46 green in brooklyn // Sep 22, 2008 at 6:13 pm
Galileo,
I think your assessment is right, but McKinney was one of the earliest, and continues to be one of the most prominent, voices for investigations and getting at the Truth surrounding 9-11. Certainly no one else in Congress had the cajones to stand up to Bush and Rumsfeld the way that she did.
It’s a difference between what one says and what one does, and in the case of 9-11, McKinney has talked the talk AND walked the walk. Baldwin may be an eloquent speaker, but what has he actually done?
McKinney’s psrters have the word TRUTH on them 4 times as big as her name, and her campaign website is votetruth08.org. Plus her press advisor is John Judge. How much more Truthiness do you want from McKinney?
The only way to get more investigations and congressional hearings is to convince more people like me who are LIHTCN (Let It Happen Through Criminal Negligence), that we need to get to the bottom of 9-11. Baldwin is just going to scare people off, frankly.
P.S. I am a big fan of all those fancy syrups at IHOP, but there are not too many in the NYC metro area, sadly.
47 G.E. // Sep 22, 2008 at 6:14 pm
George Phillies is cheering Paul’s endorsement, calling Paul a racist, homophobic, bigot, etc.
LP - Ron Paul = George Phillies = A JOKE
48 NotABarrFan // Sep 22, 2008 at 6:14 pm
OK I admit I am not a Barr fan, but I am voting on the LP line this year. Why — first read the CP Platform. Then look at how many states the CP will be on the ballot. Only the LP is big enough to get out the message of Liberty!
Please, RP doesn’t support this. What happened to Freedom of Religion? RP did not just find Jesus and forgot about the Constitution.
No sir, my firm belief is he is not even aware that one of his staff members wrote this very poorly written blog. Check out what Dr. Paul said on CNN Late Edition yesterday and then explain why he would change his mind about endorsements overnight?
Sorry, I am not buying this after seeing him in 1/2 dozen interviews. In fact, this illegitimate blog posting is enough to make me not support the CP at all or any of its candidates. Shame on you!
Want to know the truth? Call (202) 225- 2831
PS — Of course if this was true you would expect it to be on the CP’s web site: http://www.constitutionparty.com/ but it’s not. A call to the CP will also bring you closer to the truth!
49 Peter Orvetti // Sep 22, 2008 at 6:14 pm
Lewis Black had a great bit about how the IHOP was his health club, because no matter how out of shape you are, there’s always some dude there who weighs at least 100 pounds more than you ever will.
50 Peter Orvetti // Sep 22, 2008 at 6:15 pm
I think it’s time for a Progressive Alliance fusion ticket.
51 G.E. // Sep 22, 2008 at 6:19 pm
I’d like to see proof that Baldwin is a MIHOP Truther. Paul has stated he would not endorse any such people.
52 Fred Church Ortiz // Sep 22, 2008 at 6:23 pm
George Phillies is cheering Paul’s endorsement, calling Paul a racist, homophobic, bigot, etc.
An educated guess, or has Phillies actually commented on it somewhere?
53 Mike Gillis // Sep 22, 2008 at 6:24 pm
Whatever the endorsement, Baldwin doesn’t have a shot at knocking Barr out of fourth place.
Without ballot access in big states like TX and CA and a number of others, Baldwin just doesn’t have a prayer of getting more votes than Barr.
With the Paul endorsement and his ballot access, I could see Baldwin defeating McKinney, but not Barr.
54 G.E. // Sep 22, 2008 at 6:25 pm
Phillies said it in an email to a group of whiny libertarians that I’ve somehow been subjected to even though I’ve asked to be removed and was never asked to be included.
55 G.E. // Sep 22, 2008 at 6:26 pm
Beating him out in states where they’re both on the ballot would be good enough for me.
56 paulie cannoli // Sep 22, 2008 at 6:26 pm
My bet’s on Baldwin, despite the poor ballot access.
And that’s despite the fact that even after Ron Paul’s endorsement, I’d still be more likely to vote for Barr than Baldwin.
57 paulie cannoli // Sep 22, 2008 at 6:27 pm
Phillies said it in an email to a group of whiny libertarians that I’ve somehow been subjected to even though I’ve asked to be removed and was never asked to be included.
Please add me to that list, though.
58 Mike Gillis // Sep 22, 2008 at 6:28 pm
Paulie,
Without access on CA or TX, I just don’t think it’s possible.
Barr has the advantage of ballot access AND name recognition.
While I would love to watch him go down in flames and while I’m heartened by the way that the Paul campaign has secularized the CP, quite a bit, I just think that Baldwin topping Barr in votes as incredibly unlikely.
59 paulie cannoli // Sep 22, 2008 at 6:29 pm
I got five on it.
60 Mike Gillis // Sep 22, 2008 at 6:30 pm
Are you really that eager to lose five dollars?
61 paulie cannoli // Sep 22, 2008 at 6:31 pm
I’ll win.
62 Mike Gillis // Sep 22, 2008 at 6:32 pm
Fine. I’ll take that bet.
I just fear that you’re seeing what you want to see, rather than what is.
63 paulie cannoli // Sep 22, 2008 at 6:33 pm
As I said, it’s not what I want to see.
If they were the only two candidates on the ballot, I would vote for Barr.
64 Mike Gillis // Sep 22, 2008 at 6:34 pm
Fine. It’s a bet.
65 paulie cannoli // Sep 22, 2008 at 6:35 pm
Want to know the truth? Call (202) 225- 2831
Whose number is that?
PS — Of course if this was true you would expect it to be on the CP’s web site: http://www.constitutionparty.com/ but it’s not. A call to the CP will also bring you closer to the truth!
Well, they may not have had time to confirm it yet, much less issue a press release. So what?
66 Hugh Jass // Sep 22, 2008 at 6:40 pm
paulie, I already predicted that last week. I had the odds as 9-1 back then. Now, I think it would be appropriate to raise it to 3-1.
67 paulie cannoli // Sep 22, 2008 at 6:40 pm
More details from “NotABarrFan” at LFV:
September 22, 2008 at 6:19 pm8 pauliecannoli
So, has anyone called the 202 number, or reverse directoried it for that matter?
September 22, 2008 at 6:21 pm9 Peter Orvetti
It’s Ron Paul’s House office number.
September 22, 2008 at 6:33 pm10 NotABarrFan
Called the office at 4:47 pm right after I first read about this. The lady who answered, Jane or Jeanette, said she already has received a lot of calls and said that Congressman Paul did not endorse anyone and referred to his official statements on the matter about backing third party or don’t vote at all… yadda yadda yadda.
They only wish he would finally come out and take a stand (any stand) and frankly so do I. But having a volunteer or staff member at the CFL take matters into their own hands is not responsible and make Ron Paul look foolish. I hope they fire this blogger ASAP and clear things up or releases an official statement signed by Congressman Paul with a press conference so we can see him say it himself. This is not RP’s style and for sure not they way he writes or speaks. Shame on the CFL and the CP!
Now call the CP and what do they say? “we are aware on certain web sites there is a mention of an endorsement by Ron Paul, however we have not received anything official to date.â€
Please do not take my word, call yourself, do some research, email the congressman or the CP. Prove me wrong, please!
68 inDglass // Sep 22, 2008 at 6:43 pm
“The fact that Baldwin is in Alex Jones tinfoil-hat territory is supposed to be a *good* thing?”
Hundreds of thousands of Americans believe that 9/11 was an inside job and feel that is an important issue. Hundreds of thousands more are libertarians. Over one million voted for Ron Paul in the Republican primaries. There is obviously a great deal of overlap, but the combined endorsements of Alex Jones and Ron Paul tap into over a million potential voters. These are also some of the most aggressive activists in the country. It is time for the Baldwin r3VOLution.
69 paulie cannoli // Sep 22, 2008 at 6:49 pm
http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/023001.html#more
70 G.E. // Sep 22, 2008 at 6:51 pm
I’ve been listening to Alex Jones for a few weeks now, and although he’s not good on economics, everything I’ve heard him say has checked out. He makes connections that may or may not be true, but the facts he deals in — at least in my experience — are rock solid.
71 paulie cannoli // Sep 22, 2008 at 6:56 pm
“NotABarrFan” @ BAN
http://www.ballot-access.org/2008/09/22/ron-paul-endorses-chuck-baldwin-for-president/#comments
# NotABarrFan Says:
September 22nd, 2008 at 2:52 pm
Ron Paul just now gave a speech about re-opening his Lake Jackson office. Call him now at 979-285-0231 and find out the truth yourself!
PS — And no he did not give any endorsements during his speech.
72 inDglass // Sep 22, 2008 at 6:58 pm
The same goes for me, G.E. Everything from him that I have researched has checked out.
When it comes to the conspiracy allegations he often makes, it is more difficult to prove, but I believe he is right. Mainstream history acknowledges that conspiracies have run nearly all of the world’s societies throughout the last 10,000 years. To suggest that this suddenly stopped being the case in the 20th century is insane.
73 G.E. // Sep 22, 2008 at 7:01 pm
Uh oh! Apparently I wasn’t supposed to report on George Phillies’s email rant against Ron Paul.
Seth the Reform statist Cohn admonished me and predicted the imminent collapse of IPR:
74 G.E. // Sep 22, 2008 at 7:01 pm
Oops, I did it again! And I’ll keep doing it until you people TAKE ME OFF THE LIST.
75 Peter Orvetti // Sep 22, 2008 at 7:02 pm
The item was posted by Jesse Benton, who says it was written by Ron Paul.
76 G.E. // Sep 22, 2008 at 7:02 pm
No way. It’s millions. Tens of millions, even.
77 Thomas L. Knapp // Sep 22, 2008 at 7:04 pm
Dammit. I’m no Ron Paul fan, but in the wake of Snubgate I went ahead and joined Campaign For Liberty to show solidarity with the four-point joint statement. Now I’m trying to figure out how to get out (not because he didn’t endorse Barr — can’t blame him for that — but because he did endorse the most anti-freedom candidate he could find).
78 paulie cannoli // Sep 22, 2008 at 7:04 pm
Oops, I did it again! And I’ll keep doing it until you people TAKE ME OFF THE LIST.
Put me on the list instead.
79 G.E. // Sep 22, 2008 at 7:04 pm
Drats. I’ve lost my seat at the LP pity party “exclusive insider” club. Now maybe instead of wading through B.S. emails I can … make money for my family! Heaven forbid!
80 G.E. // Sep 22, 2008 at 7:05 pm
I guess you aren’t cool enough, paulie, to be on the list. And I don’t think I’m the one to put a word in for you.
81 paulie cannoli // Sep 22, 2008 at 7:07 pm
They’ll see my comment here, and either invite me or not.
82 mscrib // Sep 22, 2008 at 7:07 pm
inDglass,
Hundreds of thousands of Americans are bat-shit insane, too, probably with a fair degree of overlap with Alex Jones’ fan base.
…
These are also some of the most aggressive activists in the country.
Yeah, they’re too</i< aggressive. I don’t think anyone has told Ron Paul supporters about the “soft sell.”
We are not going to die when McCain or Obama get elected president, our society and economy will probably continue progressing and growing in the long-run despite government intervention, and returning to a gold standard or a gold-exchange standard, given the current structure of international forex and other financial markets, will probably not remedy many (or any) of the problems facing America in the future. Saying that the opposite of any of the above is true is simply unsupportable by anything I’ve seen. I’m a libertarian because I think the world could be a better place, not because I think it’s completely going to hell.
83 mscrib // Sep 22, 2008 at 7:08 pm
Whoops. Meant to close out the italics after “country.”
84 VTV // Sep 22, 2008 at 7:09 pm
G.E. can you give me that email list so I can join it?
85 G.E. // Sep 22, 2008 at 7:09 pm
paulie - Apparently, they viewed IPR as the contra to TPW, i.e. a Libertarian Party organ for the “other” side. Now they, or at least Seth, upon seeing we can’t be used for that, is wishing our demise! hahaha!
86 G.E. // Sep 22, 2008 at 7:10 pm
The list is a secret society (unbeknown to me) and is by invite only. They don’t even ask you if you want to be on it, they just start spamming you.
87 johncjackson // Sep 22, 2008 at 7:19 pm
Good Job, Babar!
I can’t vote for Baldwin, but I sure aint voting Barr either.
88 Galileo Galilei // Sep 22, 2008 at 7:20 pm
“Mainstream history acknowledges that conspiracies have run nearly all of the world’s societies throughout the last 10,000 years. To suggest that this suddenly stopped being the case in the 20th century is insane.”
While at the bookstore, I found dozens of mainstream history books that describe conspiracies or alleged conspiracies:
1) Vasari’s “Lives of the Artists”, published in 1565, alleges that Massacio was killed by a conspiracy in 1428 (at the age of only 26!).
2) Chaucer was killed in a political conspiracy by Henry IV in 1400.
3) Tycho Brahe was killed in a conspiracy in 1601.
4) Merriwether Lewis was murdered in 1809.
5) King Tut was murdered.
6) John Lnansing (who attended the Constitutional convention) was murdered in a political murder in 1829.
7) Huey Long was murdered by FDR in 1935.
9) Paolo Foscarini, a defender of Galileo, was murdered in 1616.
10) Alexander the Great was murdered in a political conspiracy.
11) There are many questions surrounding the death of Christopher Marlowe.
12) Julius Caesar was killed by political assassins.
89 G.E. // Sep 22, 2008 at 7:22 pm
Wow. And here I thought FDR was pure evil.
90 G.E. // Sep 22, 2008 at 7:22 pm
Where is the proof that Baldwin is a full-fledged MIHOP Truther?
91 Vin // Sep 22, 2008 at 7:24 pm
For a long time now, I never had a good response for when people would ask me why I wasn’t supporting Ron Paul. Now I can say that I could never support someone who endorsed a man who I am so ideologically opposed to in nearly every way.
92 Galileo Galilei // Sep 22, 2008 at 7:24 pm
Sorry, I’ve confused Chuck Baldwin with Pastor Rod Parsley.
They both look and sound alike.
Conquering the Spirit of Debt
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3051024550497129264&ei=jyjYSP7-Nafi-QGtn73JAg&q=Pastor+Rod+Parsley&hl=en
93 Galileo Galilei // Sep 22, 2008 at 7:25 pm
Sorry, I’ve confused Chuck Baldwin with Pastor Rod Parsley.
They both look and sound alike.
Conquering the Spirit of Debt (is on google video)
94 Hugh Jass // Sep 22, 2008 at 7:26 pm
I have not seen any evidence that Baldwin is MIHOP, but as his website shows, he does question 9-11. I’m pretty sure that Cynthia McKinney is MIHOP, on the other hand.
95 johncjackson // Sep 22, 2008 at 7:29 pm
I pretty much agree with Andy Craig’s comment on reason ( tReason, as GE prefers).
96 johncjackson // Sep 22, 2008 at 7:32 pm
And I really hope Ron Paul did not write this, and that an UNPAID C4L staffer wrote/typed this up. I am not a stickler for grammar, but I hope I can read past the first paragraph ( of the quoted text) without encountering the most annoyingly common and stupid-sounding mistake of all-time.
97 Fred Church Ortiz // Sep 22, 2008 at 7:33 pm
Vin: If your party’s platform is any indication of your views, you had plenty of reasons. Your inability to articulate them is a side matter, and one that probably requires some introspection and self-improvement on your part.
98 paulie cannoli // Sep 22, 2008 at 7:33 pm
I have not seen any evidence that Baldwin is MIHOP, but as his website shows, he does question 9-11. I’m pretty sure that Cynthia McKinney is MIHOP, on the other hand.
Again, I’m still waiting to hear definitive proof either is MIHOP or LIHOP for that matter.
So far I have determined they are both pro-investigation.
99 paulie cannoli // Sep 22, 2008 at 7:33 pm
I pretty much agree with Andy Craig’s comment on reason ( tReason, as GE prefers).
Which comment, where exactly?
100 paulie cannoli // Sep 22, 2008 at 7:34 pm
And I really hope Ron Paul did not write this, and that an UNPAID C4L staffer wrote/typed this up.
Orvetti says Jesse Benton posted it.
101 Travis Maddox // Sep 22, 2008 at 7:34 pm
Anyone want to guess how long and IF TPW even reports this!!
Thanks IPR for your great reporting.
102 Galileo Galilei // Sep 22, 2008 at 7:36 pm
Pastor Rod Parsley is full-fledged MIHOP, not Baldwin.
I apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused you.
Google Pastor Rod Parsley!
Parsley for President!
President Parsley!
103 Hugh Jass // Sep 22, 2008 at 7:38 pm
http://baldwin08.com/Issue-911.cfm
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20041026093059633 (McKinney and Nader are #62 and #67, respectively)
104 Fred Church Ortiz // Sep 22, 2008 at 7:39 pm
Orvetti says Jesse Benton posted it.
The CFL’s blog says Jesse Benton posted it.
And I really hope Ron Paul did not write this, and that an UNPAID C4L staffer wrote/typed this up. I am not a stickler for grammar, but I hope I can read past the first paragraph ( of the quoted text) without encountering the most annoyingly common and stupid-sounding mistake of all-time.
It doesn’t read like Paul wrote it, though I disagree that then/than is stupid-sounding. In print it’s easy to catch, but it’s practically imperceptible in speech. Maybe this was sent out DNR.
105 Vin // Sep 22, 2008 at 7:39 pm
Ouch, Fred.
You are right that I always can use some introspection and self-improvement, but I am happy with my independent mindset and independent-oriented party — poor articulation and all.
106 paulie cannoli // Sep 22, 2008 at 7:39 pm
“Not a Barr Fan” sez @ LFV
Jesse (Benton) is a bad boy and now is in a lot of trouble according to Ron Paul’s COS:
Tom Lizardo
Chief of Staff
Phone: 202-225-2831
Jennifer Bailey
Scheduler
Phone: 202-225-2831
Rachel Mills
Press Secretary
Phone: 202-225-2831
107 paulie cannoli // Sep 22, 2008 at 7:42 pm
Constitution Party presidential candidate Chuck Baldwin is the only candidate from a FEC- recognized party to challenge the official story of the tragedy of 9-11.
Representing the largest and fastest-growing third party based on voter registration (Ballot Access news), Baldwin joins the growing list of military, scientific and other well-credentialed experts who agree,’the government’s account of what happened that day simply does not pass the smell test’.
Baldwin, poised to attract voters who will not cast their votes for either ‘Big Box’ party candidate in November said, ‘All across America voters are telling me, ”I am afraid of Obama and I don’t trust McCain’.
Baldwin added, ‘More and more people want answers . They want to know about government corruption, our loss of liberties and yes, what really happened on September 11th. The heartache this country endured won’t be cured, but it will give us answers to some basic questions about why our security, intelligence and civil defense measures failed and why so many aspects of the government’s version have been shown to be lies’.
Sorry, no LIHOP/MIHOP here. Not to say he’s not.
108 Seth Cohn // Sep 22, 2008 at 7:43 pm
Jason, aka G.E.:
That ‘list’ (aka the large cc: list that you objected to be included on) includes a large variety of folks, including LNCers, former LNCers, former candidates, reporters/bloggers (thus your inclusion), and others.
You are clearly too foolish to realize when you are being trusted by a large number of diverse activists working together (a rare enough event itself), and your wish to no longer be trusted and included will be respected. And already has.
1) I didn’t “predicted the imminent collapse of IPR”, only that you’re going to get your news secondhanded. I’m sure other IPR posters will continue to get the ‘inside scoop’ at times.
2) The list isn’t a secret society, unless of course you believe folks like Alex Jones… oh wait, you do, never mind.
Paulie, you likely weren’t included initially because of your fallout with the AB. Nothing personal (at least in my mind)
109 Seth Cohn // Sep 22, 2008 at 7:52 pm
Btw, George’s dislike of Paul isn’t news, for anyone following LP politics for the last few years… but paraphrasing an email comment (and a poor paraphrase at that) is just childish. Your whiny about the email list was what I reacted to, not commenting about George commenting about Paul. Your dislike of George certainly is on record already.
110 Brian G // Sep 22, 2008 at 7:54 pm
It’s too bad the state Libertarian Parties where Baldwin isn’t on the ballot couldn’t dump Barr and endorse Baldwin.
111 G.E. // Sep 22, 2008 at 7:55 pm
Seth says my “crime” was reporting something Phillies said on the list, and then says that I’ll now get my news “second-hand” by not being on the list that I wasn’t supposed to be report things from in the first place.
Yeah.
I suspect that George Phillies will continue to send me news, directly, as he’s been doing since Denver. If he chooses not to, then my heart will go on. I would be completely shocked if Angela Keaton blackballs me for dropping off the precious list — and virtually all of the news I’ve reported from her has been sent directly, too.
Regardless, your assertion that these latest antics have been my “rudest” yet shows a very poor appreciation for my anthology of work.
112 G.E. // Sep 22, 2008 at 7:55 pm
I happen to like George a great deal, Seth. I just don’t like his politics.
113 BrianHoltz // Sep 22, 2008 at 7:56 pm
I guess Ron Paul didn’t a