We here at IPR were the first ones to scoop the news that a group in Louisiana, going under the name “Louisiana Taxpayers Party”, was going to put Ron Paul/Barry Goldwater Jr. on the ballot for President/Vice President. Although it is technically unofficial, the Louisiana Taxpayer’s Party submitted their paperwork on the same date as the Republican presidential ticket. The unofficial filings can be found here. Within a few days, their website will go live and a press release will be sent out containing some exciting announcements!
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Will Ron Paul be allowed to speak at the National Press Club tomorrow? It would certainly help his campaign to be seen on television.
If Obama loses this election, the Democratic Party might realize it has been out-big-governmented by the GOP. If there was a legitimate Jefferson/Cleveland wing of Gold Democrats to step up, there could be possibility. I see none of this. Even the Ron Paul Democrats are all protectionist, completely thwarting the great history of Democratic Party classical liberalism.
“If not, how about running someone as a Democrat next time?”
Name someone who could do HALF as well as Johnson or Goldwater would do in the Republican primaries who is also pro-freedom.
Also–this is just as pointless as drafting a third-party candidate,except THIS guy will get into the debates. The point is to utilize everyone Ron Paul has done in the Republican Party thus far,and the resources of the 100,000 member+ Campaign for Liberty.
Mike Gillis,
Here is the list of presidential elector slates that filed in Louisiana:
http://www400.sos.louisiana.gov/cgibin/?rqstyp=CNDMD&rqsdta=110408&ID=01017141
However, there is a possibility that this list will change in the coming days. The La. Sec. of State’s office is still recovering from the hurricane. The webpage linked above should update as any changes in the lineup are made.
If not, how about running someone as a Democrat next time?
Suggestions?
We have technology which I think can bypass that.
If not, how about running someone as a Democrat next time?
Paulie,
Im not so sure. I used to be convinced of that–but I dont think anyone could disagree than Ron Paul only got as much press and attention as he did because he was a Republican and in the debates.
Ron Paul activists are looking for a Republican to draft, i.e.–Rep. Goldwater, Gov. Johnson, etc.
Mistake.
“Ventura will not hold together the Ron Paul coalition. Any new standard bearer has to be pro-life and not hostile to religion. Otherwise you lose the conservative element of his coalition.”
Ventura is an entertaining guy, and has gotten closer to being a liberty-candidate in the past couple of months (I guess because of the Ron Paul campaign) and I trust him–he is an honest guy. But I would not try to draft him, and he would not run as a republican–but as a third-partier. Ron Paul activists are looking for a Republican to draft, i.e.–Rep. Goldwater, Gov. Johnson, etc.
There is rumor of a network of draft movements—to court freedom-candidates in big elections all over the country. For example, recruiting State Senator Jerry Ward to run for Governor in Alaska and former state Rep. Dick Randolph as Lt. Governor–one an AIPer and one an LPer, both to run in the Republican primary together. Former Rep. Don Gorman to run for Congress or Senate in NH as a Republican. Rep. Michael Doherty for Congress in New Jersey. Rep. Roger Koopman or state senator Aubyn Curtis for Governor/Lt. Governor in Montana.
That’s not to suggest that Ventura is a good choice.
With politicians who have actually been elected before, record in office speaks more loudly than any amount of fine rhetoric. Thomas Jefferson was great on paper, not so great as president. Ronald Reagan said some good things, but he did not mean them. The USSR had a constitution, but nobody followed it. But then, the same is true of the US.
Jesse Ventura has always run on libertarian rhetoric – for mayor, then governor, and now perhaps for president. He has always governed as a centrist liberal.
“Just out of curiousity, who are the electors for the Louisiana Taxpayers slate? I’m pretty sure you and Walter Block are, but who are the other seven?”
Walter Block is not an elector. Most of them are relative-unknowns, just regular activists from around LA. Originally the plan had been to get some of our prominent guys, the former state director, the chairman of the Louisiana Taxpayers Union, the executive director of Louisiana Right to Life, the chairmen of the LP and CP in LA—but time did not permit us to do this. Still–all of those people support us.
I disagree. He would have gotten farther without the ballast.
I agree. Ron Paul got where he was in large part to that.
Ventura will not hold together the Ron Paul coalition. Any new standard bearer has to be pro-life and not hostile to religion. Otherwise you lose the conservative element of his coalition.
Yeah, cause anyone that uses that euphemism must be referring to someone homosexual. How narrow-minded. I’m wondering why Goldwater did not actually run, himself. Is that so mind-boggling or audacious to ponder?
Back on topic, if he managed to get that spot on a major network, and NOT C-Span, I would certainly be interested, but McCain and Obama would certainly not show and it would probably be pitted against football or something of the like for some local affiliate or empty station. (Like myNetwork.) Coupled with Barr’s statements to debating other third party candidates…
Who else filed for the LA ballot?
Dear god no. That is from pre-1999,when the Constitution Party was named the US Taxpayers Party.
Our new one is pretty well-done I think. It will debut in a couple days and i’ll keep you guys posted.
Hugh Jass,
Any draft movement will likely take place through the Republican primaries–as that is what Ron Paul did and part of why he got so much attention. Had Giuliani never argued with Ron Paul at that first presidential debate–the Ron Paul revolution would have never launched the way it did.
If the LATP is still around in 2012, and I suspect it might be, I may not even be involved. But I’d guess that it’d probably place someone other than a draft candidate on the ballot—we dont want to become the Independent Greens or anything.
Is this the website you were referring to: http://www.orion-cs.com/latp/
Replying to Trent post #21:
If the LTP is still around in 2012, is it possible that they might have a convention to put one of those draft candidates on the ballot?
“I’m not referring to him “endorsing†Ron Paul. I want to know why he didn’t come out of the closet himself? Perhaps that would have paved the way for a greater reception in Paul’s campaign.”
Out of the closest? What is he,homosexual? I dont understand what it is you wanted him to do—he formally endorsed him, went on some radio shows, did all the interviews he was asked to do, campaigned in like…5 states (1 state heavily).
Spence,
It is just a guess–but im thinking he has secured primetime coverage for a debate that would INCLUDE third-party candidates and invite the major candidates (who likely wouldnt attend)–why else would he invite ALL of the third-partiers? It is likely CFL would pay for it–and could easily afford it.
I’m not referring to him “endorsing” Ron Paul. I want to know why he didn’t come out of the closet himself? Perhaps that would have paved the way for a greater reception in Paul’s campaign.
“Although Ron Paul is aware of what we were doing here in LA–he neither encouraged nor discouraged it. The press conference doesnt concern us, I think it’ll likely concern setting up a debate where the third-parties are invited–but thats a guess.”
I was partly being facetious with that post, so I’ll apologize if anyone misunderstood me. But if that’s the case, that’s probably just as bad. Who’s going to “fund this debate”? I spose he wants us to. C4L is not getting another cent of my money, after seeing how to such great effect he used it in the Primaries. And like others have said, a third party debate is really a waste of time, at least how he would likely handle it.
“And if Goldwater Jr. was really sincere about Paul’s stances, why hadn’t he come out earlier? I mean, when you think of who his father really is, it’s a damn tragedy really.”
Rep. Goldwater Jr. endorsed Ron Paul on November 16th,2007. He campaigned for Ron Paul in New Hampshire, the Kansas Caucus, in Orange County California, and in Arizona.
“Could this be Ron Paul’s “surprising†announcement on Wednesday?
“I’m going to campaign in Montana and Louisiana and we’ll hold two new conventions there�
Good, waste more of our time and money. ”
Although Ron Paul is aware of what we were doing here in LA–he neither encouraged nor discouraged it. The press conference doesnt concern us, I think it’ll likely concern setting up a debate where the third-parties are invited–but thats a guess.
Austin,
Ron Paulians are starting various draft movements, albiet unofficially. Most support Gov. Ventura, Gov. Johnson, or Rep. Goldwater Jr.–though there is talk of Thomas Woods or Bruce Fein as third party candidates or congressionals.
I personally support a Gov. Johnson or Rep. Goldwater Jr. draft movement. Its one of the things we’re going to discuss over the coming weeks.
He had actually endorsed Paul in February, the MSM just didn’t report it until October.
Could this be Ron Paul’s “surprising” announcement on Wednesday?
“I’m going to campaign in Montana and Louisiana and we’ll hold two new conventions there”?
Good, waste more of our time and money.
And if Goldwater Jr. was really sincere about Paul’s stances, why hadn’t he come out earlier? I mean, when you think of who his father really is, it’s a damn tragedy really.
Goldwater’s only three years younger than Paul, so if he’s ever going to run for President, it will be in 2012.
When will we start hearing about a “Draft Goldwater” movement for 2012?
Just out of curiousity, who are the electors for the Louisiana Taxpayers slate? I’m pretty sure you and Walter Block are, but who are the other seven?
Awesome.
Gives me something to care about in the Presidential race…
Congrats Trent
Darolew,
Precisely! It’ll be fun to see! I think you are underestimating the Ron Paul activists–many of whom are offering to come into LA and campaign for a few months. Goldwater Jr. has said he wants to come into the state and do a few events. Trust me–its going to get interesting.
I think you overestimate how many votes Paul will get, but it’s still nice to see.
“My prediction: Ron Paul gets third in Louisiana. Baldwin (and Barr) gets a negligible percentage due to Ron’s presence.”
This doesnt seem likely. Ron Paul may very well get third–but I doubt Baldwin or Barr will suffer from that. In 2000, Pat Buchanan was on the ballot in LA along with Howard Phillips–and Howard Phillips scored just as many votes as all other years.
“Thank you Trent! I bet this gives Ron Paul over10,000 votes, which added to the Montana ballot, should give Paul somewhere between 30,000 and 50,000 votes nationwide, more than all third parties in ‘04 except Nader, Badnarik, Peroutka, and Cobb.”
I would be willing to bet more than that. Paul got 20,000 primary votes in MT and 8500 in Louisiana. I’m hoping to score 15k in LA–people dislike McCain alot,and wont vote for Obama.
My prediction: Ron Paul gets third in Louisiana. Baldwin (and Barr) gets a negligible percentage due to Ron’s presence.
“I don’t see Barr/WAR listed. Not that I care as I see there are two far better options in Paul/Goldwater and Baldwin/Castle, but what happened?”
You are right that the other two options are better. I have no idea what has happened with Barr/Root–but it is entirely possible that the LP hasnt been contacted by the SoS yet…the hurricane really confused things and im sure the LP WILL be on the ballot.
Fred,
The website is focused on THIS election,and is simply a place to find information and have a central location for said information.
With that said–the LATP may last longer than just this cycle–that’ll depend wholly upon how well Ron Paul/Goldwater Jr. does on the ballot.
Thank you Trent! I bet this gives Ron Paul over10,000 votes, which added to the Montana ballot, should give Paul somewhere between 30,000 and 50,000 votes nationwide, more than all third parties in ’04 except Nader, Badnarik, Peroutka, and Cobb.
Great work, Trent and everyone!
Trent: you are my new hero.
Does a website on the way mean there might be more to the LTP than just a one-off ballot label? This would also be cool.
I don’t see Barr/WAR listed. Not that I care as I see there are two far better options in Paul/Goldwater and Baldwin/Castle, but what happened?
Louisianite* is my preferred useage, but Louisianan is more common. Too bad.
Pretty awesome eh?
As an addendum–I want to thank everyone here at IPR who encouraged us to do this.
Oh, to be a Louisianan.