Comments on: Photos from the Rally for the Republic http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/09/photos-from-the-rally-for-the-republic/ Covering America's third parties and independent candidates since May 2008 Mon, 13 Feb 2012 15:40:37 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Trent Hill http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/09/photos-from-the-rally-for-the-republic/comment-page-1/#comment-11485 Trent Hill Fri, 05 Sep 2008 01:23:08 +0000 http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/?p=1787#comment-11485 Fred, Nope, sure cant. I THINK he was, but I dont know for sure. Fred,

Nope, sure cant. I THINK he was, but I dont know for sure.

]]> By: Fred Church Ortiz http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/09/photos-from-the-rally-for-the-republic/comment-page-1/#comment-11482 Fred Church Ortiz Fri, 05 Sep 2008 01:20:28 +0000 http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/?p=1787#comment-11482 Trent: can you confirm one way or the other whether Baldwin was actually at the Rally? Trent: can you confirm one way or the other whether Baldwin was actually at the Rally?

]]> By: Fred Church Ortiz http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/09/photos-from-the-rally-for-the-republic/comment-page-1/#comment-11470 Fred Church Ortiz Fri, 05 Sep 2008 01:04:59 +0000 http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/?p=1787#comment-11470 GE: That wasn't a point Rockwell made, and his case might have been stronger if he had. Having fleshed through the matter here and elsewhere dozens of times, we all have other arguments in the back of our heads. I don't think he chose a good one for his case, and didn't choose a good way to frame the one he made. GE: That wasn’t a point Rockwell made, and his case might have been stronger if he had. Having fleshed through the matter here and elsewhere dozens of times, we all have other arguments in the back of our heads. I don’t think he chose a good one for his case, and didn’t choose a good way to frame the one he made.

]]> By: G.E. http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/09/photos-from-the-rally-for-the-republic/comment-page-1/#comment-11466 G.E. Fri, 05 Sep 2008 00:59:29 +0000 http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/?p=1787#comment-11466 Fred - The problem is that the ORIGINAL use of the term lines up nicely with Bush/Cheney. If anything is Orwellian, it's the positive use of "conservative" or the notion that the "neocons" are "neo" at all -- they're classical conservatives. But you're right: That was not the time or place to make that case. Fred – The problem is that the ORIGINAL use of the term lines up nicely with Bush/Cheney. If anything is Orwellian, it’s the positive use of “conservative” or the notion that the “neocons” are “neo” at all — they’re classical conservatives.

But you’re right: That was not the time or place to make that case.

]]> By: Trent Hill http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/09/photos-from-the-rally-for-the-republic/comment-page-1/#comment-11465 Trent Hill Fri, 05 Sep 2008 00:58:34 +0000 http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/?p=1787#comment-11465 GE, Still do. Rockwell repeatedly called Ron Paul the "true conservative" during the primaries. Also, regardless of Rockwell's arguement--I'm not talking about the historical dichotomy,it does not matter in our particular political system. Just as it doesnt matter that Liberals arent the legacy of historical liberalism. Labels change. GE,

Still do. Rockwell repeatedly called Ron Paul the “true conservative” during the primaries. Also, regardless of Rockwell’s arguement–I’m not talking about the historical dichotomy,it does not matter in our particular political system. Just as it doesnt matter that Liberals arent the legacy of historical liberalism. Labels change.

]]> By: Fred Church Ortiz http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/09/photos-from-the-rally-for-the-republic/comment-page-1/#comment-11463 Fred Church Ortiz Fri, 05 Sep 2008 00:57:46 +0000 http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/?p=1787#comment-11463 My main problem with Rockwell's speech was that at an event that drew together conservatives and libertarians around points they could share and work towards together, he called up the old arguments that helped cement their tactical split in the YAF. And after the point that one might mean "The constitutionalism of Robert Taft and Ron Paul" when speaking of conservatism, suggesting that the term should be ceded because of what the power establishment has shaped it into didn't seem to fit with his previous denunciation of Orwellianism. Another speaker, I can't recall which, made the point that the term "Patriot" should not be so easily redefined, and the same argument could be used against what LR said. My main problem with Rockwell’s speech was that at an event that drew together conservatives and libertarians around points they could share and work towards together, he called up the old arguments that helped cement their tactical split in the YAF. And after the point that one might mean “The constitutionalism of Robert Taft and Ron Paul” when speaking of conservatism, suggesting that the term should be ceded because of what the power establishment has shaped it into didn’t seem to fit with his previous denunciation of Orwellianism. Another speaker, I can’t recall which, made the point that the term “Patriot” should not be so easily redefined, and the same argument could be used against what LR said.

]]> By: G.E. http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/09/photos-from-the-rally-for-the-republic/comment-page-1/#comment-11458 G.E. Fri, 05 Sep 2008 00:53:14 +0000 http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/?p=1787#comment-11458 You just didn't like that Rockwell made the argument that I did against you, Trent. And also, didn't you use Rockwell to support your side back then, too? :) You just didn’t like that Rockwell made the argument that I did against you, Trent. And also, didn’t you use Rockwell to support your side back then, too? :)

]]> By: Trent Hill http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/09/photos-from-the-rally-for-the-republic/comment-page-1/#comment-11455 Trent Hill Fri, 05 Sep 2008 00:49:30 +0000 http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/?p=1787#comment-11455 Tom Woods and Bill Kaufmann were, by far, the best speakers. And I thought Rockwell really didnt fit in at all. Tom Woods and Bill Kaufmann were, by far, the best speakers.

And I thought Rockwell really didnt fit in at all.

]]> By: G.E. http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/09/photos-from-the-rally-for-the-republic/comment-page-1/#comment-11448 G.E. Fri, 05 Sep 2008 00:44:27 +0000 http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/?p=1787#comment-11448 Although I agree wholeheartedly with Rockwell's speech, it did seem an odd choice and was contradicted by almost every other speaker. I thought he'd rock a little harder, too. He was too laid back. Tom Woods brought the shock and awe. Although I agree wholeheartedly with Rockwell’s speech, it did seem an odd choice and was contradicted by almost every other speaker. I thought he’d rock a little harder, too. He was too laid back. Tom Woods brought the shock and awe.

]]> By: Fred Church Ortiz http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/09/photos-from-the-rally-for-the-republic/comment-page-1/#comment-11445 Fred Church Ortiz Fri, 05 Sep 2008 00:42:46 +0000 http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/?p=1787#comment-11445 Thanks guys. A few more points: -Anthony Gregory was manning the <a href="http://www.independent.org/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Independent Institute</a> booth and Angela Keaton was at the <a href="http://www.antiwar.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Antiwar.com</a> booth. I wanted to get pictures and say goodbye to both, but got shut out of the Rally after RP's speech. The usher at the entrance/exit refused to scan my ticket for re-entry saying it was unnecessary at that point - a lie. Since the usher was a woman, I believe what I'm supposed to say is "The bitch set me up." -I searched for Chuck Baldwin for some time but to no avail. I asked at the booth and to his fans around the rally and got replies including "I don't know where he is," "I heard he's around," and "I don't think he's coming." So I can't say for sure what happened with him. -The <a href="http://www.freestateproject.org/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Free State Project</a> also had a booth, but it was so crowded every time I went back to it that I couldn't get a clear shot. -From where I was sitting, Rockwell seemed to deflate the crowd with the dump conservatism line, but the video suggests otherwise, so maybe it was just my side of the stadium. Thanks guys. A few more points:

-Anthony Gregory was manning the Independent Institute booth and Angela Keaton was at the Antiwar.com booth. I wanted to get pictures and say goodbye to both, but got shut out of the Rally after RP’s speech. The usher at the entrance/exit refused to scan my ticket for re-entry saying it was unnecessary at that point – a lie. Since the usher was a woman, I believe what I’m supposed to say is “The bitch set me up.”

-I searched for Chuck Baldwin for some time but to no avail. I asked at the booth and to his fans around the rally and got replies including “I don’t know where he is,” “I heard he’s around,” and “I don’t think he’s coming.” So I can’t say for sure what happened with him.

-The Free State Project also had a booth, but it was so crowded every time I went back to it that I couldn’t get a clear shot.

-From where I was sitting, Rockwell seemed to deflate the crowd with the dump conservatism line, but the video suggests otherwise, so maybe it was just my side of the stadium.

]]> By: Mike Theodore http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/09/photos-from-the-rally-for-the-republic/comment-page-1/#comment-11432 Mike Theodore Thu, 04 Sep 2008 23:27:54 +0000 http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/?p=1787#comment-11432 He'll be having nightmares about that 'stache experience, Fred. He’ll be having nightmares about that ‘stache experience, Fred.

]]> By: G.E. http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/09/photos-from-the-rally-for-the-republic/comment-page-1/#comment-11430 G.E. Thu, 04 Sep 2008 23:21:07 +0000 http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/?p=1787#comment-11430 Great pictorial story, Fred! Great pictorial story, Fred!

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