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	<title>Comments on: LPTN Chairman: Barr&#8217;s stunt &#8216;couldn&#8217;t have been more destructive if it were planned&#8217;</title>
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		<title>By: Hugh Jass</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hugh Jass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 23:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree with VTV. Gravel wouldn&#039;t have been dumb enough to snub Ron Paul, and he probably would have sought to focus on areas of agreement with libertarians, rather than conservatism as Barr is doing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree with VTV. Gravel wouldn&#8217;t have been dumb enough to snub Ron Paul, and he probably would have sought to focus on areas of agreement with libertarians, rather than conservatism as Barr is doing.</p>
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		<title>By: VTV</title>
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		<dc:creator>VTV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 19:07:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No. I am not nuts. In comparison to what Bob Barr has done and what Mike would of done, Mike would be doing better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No. I am not nuts. In comparison to what Bob Barr has done and what Mike would of done, Mike would be doing better.</p>
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		<title>By: paulie cannoli</title>
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		<dc:creator>paulie cannoli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 18:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Bob Barr became more libertarian while offering the VP spot to someone becoming less libertarian?&lt;/i&gt;

He was showing principle leadership, like Bush on 9/11.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Bob Barr became more libertarian while offering the VP spot to someone becoming less libertarian?</i></p>
<p>He was showing principle leadership, like Bush on 9/11.</p>
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		<title>By: paulie cannoli</title>
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		<dc:creator>paulie cannoli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 18:21:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The biggest loser in all this will be Ron Paul.&lt;/i&gt;

Yes, in the same way that an elephant is the biggest loser when it steps on a rat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The biggest loser in all this will be Ron Paul.</i></p>
<p>Yes, in the same way that an elephant is the biggest loser when it steps on a rat.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Church Ortiz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred Church Ortiz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 18:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob Barr became more libertarian while offering the VP spot to someone becoming less libertarian?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob Barr became more libertarian while offering the VP spot to someone becoming less libertarian?</p>
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		<title>By: Coming Back to the LP</title>
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		<dc:creator>Coming Back to the LP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 18:19:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The biggest loser in all this will be Ron Paul.

He has abandoned his libertarian base.


Over the years, Dr. Paul was often perceived as being a little too conservative.  Last year, during his Presidential run, he veered away even more from being an actual libertarian.

But now, Ron Paul is not only running away from being a Libertarian, he is not only running away from supporting Liberty, he is no longer even supporting the Constitution.  Baldwin&#039;s  Theocratic Communist party, that wants to impose the values of the &quot;good communist man&quot; on America, does not support the Constitution, and is not worthy of its name.

Shame on Ron Paul.


At the same time, Bob Barr is becoming more and more Libertarian.  He has abandoned and renounced much of his past legislative history.

Barr did the right thing by bailing out of Ron Paul&#039;s self-promotional press conference.

In the end, there will be only a small benefit to the Baldwin for Theocratic Ayatollah campaign.
But this will be one more bit of evidence for those who called Dr. Paul crazy.

It&#039;s too bad, too. 

Now, with the real issue being the Financial Crisis that has been created by the Federal Reserve, a strong Ron Paul campaign led by the old Dr. Paul (who was more consistant and more Libertarian 20 years ago) could have a real impact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The biggest loser in all this will be Ron Paul.</p>
<p>He has abandoned his libertarian base.</p>
<p>Over the years, Dr. Paul was often perceived as being a little too conservative.  Last year, during his Presidential run, he veered away even more from being an actual libertarian.</p>
<p>But now, Ron Paul is not only running away from being a Libertarian, he is not only running away from supporting Liberty, he is no longer even supporting the Constitution.  Baldwin&#8217;s  Theocratic Communist party, that wants to impose the values of the &#8220;good communist man&#8221; on America, does not support the Constitution, and is not worthy of its name.</p>
<p>Shame on Ron Paul.</p>
<p>At the same time, Bob Barr is becoming more and more Libertarian.  He has abandoned and renounced much of his past legislative history.</p>
<p>Barr did the right thing by bailing out of Ron Paul&#8217;s self-promotional press conference.</p>
<p>In the end, there will be only a small benefit to the Baldwin for Theocratic Ayatollah campaign.<br />
But this will be one more bit of evidence for those who called Dr. Paul crazy.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s too bad, too. </p>
<p>Now, with the real issue being the Financial Crisis that has been created by the Federal Reserve, a strong Ron Paul campaign led by the old Dr. Paul (who was more consistant and more Libertarian 20 years ago) could have a real impact.</p>
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		<title>By: paulie cannoli</title>
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		<dc:creator>paulie cannoli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 18:16:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I ask for evidence regarding the child porn issue, not your assertion. A link or something.&lt;/i&gt;

Too busy right now, maybe later. I&#039;m having a brain fart on the name of the guy whose railroading Barr applauded. He was sent to prison for several years for getting a blowjob from a white girl at a party. They were both teenagers, it was concensual, and Barr argued for making the video public (the part about making it public being the only nonconcensual part). Disgusting.

Evidence that other candidates would be doing better? They would have been at the Campaign for Liberty event. The Ron Paul public endorsement of Baldwin would not have happened.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I ask for evidence regarding the child porn issue, not your assertion. A link or something.</i></p>
<p>Too busy right now, maybe later. I&#8217;m having a brain fart on the name of the guy whose railroading Barr applauded. He was sent to prison for several years for getting a blowjob from a white girl at a party. They were both teenagers, it was concensual, and Barr argued for making the video public (the part about making it public being the only nonconcensual part). Disgusting.</p>
<p>Evidence that other candidates would be doing better? They would have been at the Campaign for Liberty event. The Ron Paul public endorsement of Baldwin would not have happened.</p>
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		<title>By: paulie cannoli</title>
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		<dc:creator>paulie cannoli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 18:12:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, signed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, signed.</p>
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		<title>By: AnthonyD</title>
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		<dc:creator>AnthonyD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 18:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>paulie,
 
I ask for evidence regarding the child porn issue, not your assertion. A link or something.

I ask for evidence regarding your assertion that any of the other candidates would have done better.  Perhaps evidence in the past that some purist got into the debates or something. Not the number of wet dreams the purists would have had that an anarchist was nominated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>paulie,</p>
<p>I ask for evidence regarding the child porn issue, not your assertion. A link or something.</p>
<p>I ask for evidence regarding your assertion that any of the other candidates would have done better.  Perhaps evidence in the past that some purist got into the debates or something. Not the number of wet dreams the purists would have had that an anarchist was nominated.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Seebeck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Seebeck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 18:09:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paulie, that petiton is mine.  The password was put on there by accident (&quot;1776&quot;) and has been removed.  Please try again. 
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/LP_members_apology_to_Dr_Paul/index.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paulie, that petiton is mine.  The password was put on there by accident (&#8220;1776&#8243;) and has been removed.  Please try again.<br />
<a href="http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/LP_members_apology_to_Dr_Paul/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/LP_members_apology_to_Dr_Paul/index.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: paulie cannoli</title>
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		<dc:creator>paulie cannoli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 18:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Where is the evidence for your claim that he argued for the legalization of child porn?&lt;/i&gt;

It was a legal case in Georgia. 

&lt;i&gt;Also, I appreciate the fact that you did not argue the main thrust of my post, namely that no other LP candidate would have done any better.&lt;/i&gt;

Any of the candidates in the official Denver debate other than Barr would have been doing better now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Where is the evidence for your claim that he argued for the legalization of child porn?</i></p>
<p>It was a legal case in Georgia. </p>
<p><i>Also, I appreciate the fact that you did not argue the main thrust of my post, namely that no other LP candidate would have done any better.</i></p>
<p>Any of the candidates in the official Denver debate other than Barr would have been doing better now.</p>
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		<title>By: AnthonyD</title>
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		<dc:creator>AnthonyD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:58:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>G.E.
 
Where is the evidence for your claim that he argued for the legalization of child porn?

Also, I appreciate the fact that you did not argue the main thrust of my post, namely that no other LP candidate would have done any better.

VTV is nuts, Gravel was a horrible public speaker who stood for universal health care.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>G.E.</p>
<p>Where is the evidence for your claim that he argued for the legalization of child porn?</p>
<p>Also, I appreciate the fact that you did not argue the main thrust of my post, namely that no other LP candidate would have done any better.</p>
<p>VTV is nuts, Gravel was a horrible public speaker who stood for universal health care.</p>
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		<title>By: G.E.</title>
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		<dc:creator>G.E.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gravel couldn&#039;t get 1% in the Democratic primary. His campaign was an utter failure, VTV. Come on, now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gravel couldn&#8217;t get 1% in the Democratic primary. His campaign was an utter failure, VTV. Come on, now.</p>
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		<title>By: G.E.</title>
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		<dc:creator>G.E.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:49:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barr is the one who defends alleged child molestors and has literally argued for the legalization of child-porn distribution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barr is the one who defends alleged child molestors and has literally argued for the legalization of child-porn distribution.</p>
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		<title>By: VTV</title>
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		<dc:creator>VTV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike Gravel would of been doing better by now. No doubt in my mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike Gravel would of been doing better by now. No doubt in my mind.</p>
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		<title>By: AnthonyD</title>
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		<dc:creator>AnthonyD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:48:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to ask all the Debate Club-purist Libertarians who seem to react with glee anytime there is bad news from the Barr campaign exactly where they think any other candidate for the LP nomination would have been at this point in terms of dollars raised or polling numbers? Seriously.

Is there anyone delusional enough to think kiddie porn queen Ruwart would have raised $40 million at this point? Where would she have been in the polls now, 8%? 10%? In the lead in electoral votes?

What about Kubby? How much money would he have raised? Phillies? 

Would any of them raised R3VOLution-type money? Would any of them been within striking distance of qualifying for the debates? 

I will readily admit that it does not appear that the Barr campaign has achieved the goals the moderates predicted, if the purists concede that no LP candidate would have come any closer. Barr is hardly doing any worse than previous nominees.

Denigrate the Barr campaign all you want. I thank Zeus every day that Ruwart wasn&#039;t nominated and the nightmare scenario of the LP being labeled as sympathetic to the child porn peddlers did not occur.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to ask all the Debate Club-purist Libertarians who seem to react with glee anytime there is bad news from the Barr campaign exactly where they think any other candidate for the LP nomination would have been at this point in terms of dollars raised or polling numbers? Seriously.</p>
<p>Is there anyone delusional enough to think kiddie porn queen Ruwart would have raised $40 million at this point? Where would she have been in the polls now, 8%? 10%? In the lead in electoral votes?</p>
<p>What about Kubby? How much money would he have raised? Phillies? </p>
<p>Would any of them raised R3VOLution-type money? Would any of them been within striking distance of qualifying for the debates? </p>
<p>I will readily admit that it does not appear that the Barr campaign has achieved the goals the moderates predicted, if the purists concede that no LP candidate would have come any closer. Barr is hardly doing any worse than previous nominees.</p>
<p>Denigrate the Barr campaign all you want. I thank Zeus every day that Ruwart wasn&#8217;t nominated and the nightmare scenario of the LP being labeled as sympathetic to the child porn peddlers did not occur.</p>
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		<title>By: paulie cannoli</title>
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		<dc:creator>paulie cannoli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 16:38:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s an ipetition circulating about that. I tried to sign it, but it said I needed some kind of password.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s an ipetition circulating about that. I tried to sign it, but it said I needed some kind of password.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas L. Knapp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas L. Knapp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 16:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice statement, Tony, and thank you for making it public. Can&#039;t say that I think it will have the desired effect, but it needed to be said anyway.

Since the LNC seems unwilling or unable to act on the LP&#039;s behalf as a body, perhaps those members of it who still retain some shred of integrity and credibility should form a &quot;Responsibility Caucus&quot; and apologize to Paul and C4L on the LP&#039;s behalf.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice statement, Tony, and thank you for making it public. Can&#8217;t say that I think it will have the desired effect, but it needed to be said anyway.</p>
<p>Since the LNC seems unwilling or unable to act on the LP&#8217;s behalf as a body, perhaps those members of it who still retain some shred of integrity and credibility should form a &#8220;Responsibility Caucus&#8221; and apologize to Paul and C4L on the LP&#8217;s behalf.</p>
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		<title>By: Ayn R. Key</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ayn R. Key</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:32:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, Milnes, why waste your time here?  You should be trying for a Republican-Democrat fusion ticket with you in the lead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, Milnes, why waste your time here?  You should be trying for a Republican-Democrat fusion ticket with you in the lead.</p>
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		<title>By: tonywall</title>
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		<dc:creator>tonywall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 12:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GE,
 Thanks for the kind words. Those of you here who know me know I&#039;ll stand up for what&#039;s right even if I have to stand alone.
 I do not believe &#039;Saint Paul is untouchable,&quot; as Mr. Smith stated. I&#039;m not nor have I ever been a Paul supporter. What I do recognize is the evident divide in the LP. Our leadership should take a stand, one way or another, period. To date, I believe that only two or three LNC members have vocally positioned themselves on these events. Hiding your head in the sand will not make this go away. The leadership of the LP needs to do something even if it&#039;s wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GE,<br />
 Thanks for the kind words. Those of you here who know me know I&#8217;ll stand up for what&#8217;s right even if I have to stand alone.<br />
 I do not believe &#8216;Saint Paul is untouchable,&#8221; as Mr. Smith stated. I&#8217;m not nor have I ever been a Paul supporter. What I do recognize is the evident divide in the LP. Our leadership should take a stand, one way or another, period. To date, I believe that only two or three LNC members have vocally positioned themselves on these events. Hiding your head in the sand will not make this go away. The leadership of the LP needs to do something even if it&#8217;s wrong.</p>
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