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	<title>Comments on: LNC &#8216;bullying&#8217; Angela Keaton</title>
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		<title>By: G.E.</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/09/lnc-bullying-angela-keaton/comment-page-3/#comment-12094</link>
		<dc:creator>G.E.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 06:30:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Corrected, but not defeated.

I&#039;d like to compare population within, say, a 6-hour drive radius from Chicago and Denver. 9-hour? 12-hour?

The bulk of the West-Coast population is in LA and the Bay, etc. Denver is still quite a hike for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Corrected, but not defeated.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to compare population within, say, a 6-hour drive radius from Chicago and Denver. 9-hour? 12-hour?</p>
<p>The bulk of the West-Coast population is in LA and the Bay, etc. Denver is still quite a hike for them.</p>
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		<title>By: G.E.</title>
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		<dc:creator>G.E.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 06:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay. I stand corrected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay. I stand corrected.</p>
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		<title>By: paulie cannoli</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/09/lnc-bullying-angela-keaton/comment-page-3/#comment-12092</link>
		<dc:creator>paulie cannoli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 05:41:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;By the way, doesnâ€™t it seem silly to be arguing about geography? =P&lt;/i&gt;

No. But then I&#039;m a geographer, although not employed in my field of study.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>By the way, doesnâ€™t it seem silly to be arguing about geography? =P</i></p>
<p>No. But then I&#8217;m a geographer, although not employed in my field of study.</p>
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		<title>By: paulie cannoli</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/09/lnc-bullying-angela-keaton/comment-page-3/#comment-12091</link>
		<dc:creator>paulie cannoli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 05:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.thegreenpapers.com/T08/Li-Alloc.phtml</description>
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		<title>By: darolew</title>
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		<dc:creator>darolew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 05:39:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, doesn&#039;t it seem silly to be arguing about geography? =P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, doesn&#8217;t it seem silly to be arguing about geography? =P</p>
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		<title>By: paulie cannoli</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/09/lnc-bullying-angela-keaton/comment-page-3/#comment-12088</link>
		<dc:creator>paulie cannoli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 05:38:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebanon,_Kansas</description>
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		<title>By: paulie cannoli</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/09/lnc-bullying-angela-keaton/comment-page-3/#comment-12087</link>
		<dc:creator>paulie cannoli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 05:38:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geographic_Center_of_the_Contiguous_United_States</description>
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		<title>By: darolew</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/09/lnc-bullying-angela-keaton/comment-page-3/#comment-12086</link>
		<dc:creator>darolew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 05:33:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The mean center of the United States population is in Missouri. (&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mean_center_of_U.S._population&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;According to Wikipedia&lt;/a&gt; and the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.census.gov/geo/www/cenpop/meanctr.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;U.S. Census Bureau [PDF]&lt;/a&gt;.)

By comparison, the geographic center of the United States is in Kansas -- one state over, to the West of Missouri. That would not seem to indicate a &quot;huge, huge majority&quot; of the population lives on the eastern half of the nation. More people? Yes, but not &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt; many more.

The West coast is hardly sparsely populated (see California) which makes up quite a bit for the somewhat sparsely populated mountain states.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The mean center of the United States population is in Missouri. (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mean_center_of_U.S._population" rel="nofollow">According to Wikipedia</a> and the <a href="http://www.census.gov/geo/www/cenpop/meanctr.pdf" rel="nofollow">U.S. Census Bureau [PDF]</a>.)</p>
<p>By comparison, the geographic center of the United States is in Kansas &#8212; one state over, to the West of Missouri. That would not seem to indicate a &#8220;huge, huge majority&#8221; of the population lives on the eastern half of the nation. More people? Yes, but not <i>that</i> many more.</p>
<p>The West coast is hardly sparsely populated (see California) which makes up quite a bit for the somewhat sparsely populated mountain states.</p>
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		<title>By: paulie cannoli</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/09/lnc-bullying-angela-keaton/comment-page-3/#comment-12083</link>
		<dc:creator>paulie cannoli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 05:06:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;img src=&quot;http://www.gislounge.com/images/aoi.gif&quot;&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: paulie cannoli</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/09/lnc-bullying-angela-keaton/comment-page-3/#comment-12082</link>
		<dc:creator>paulie cannoli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 05:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>test 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>test </p>
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		<title>By: paulie cannoli</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/09/lnc-bullying-angela-keaton/comment-page-3/#comment-12081</link>
		<dc:creator>paulie cannoli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 05:05:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Try this in case that was not clear

http://www.gislounge.com/images/centerssm.gif</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Try this in case that was not clear</p>
<p><a href="http://www.gislounge.com/images/centerssm.gif" rel="nofollow">http://www.gislounge.com/images/centerssm.gif</a></p>
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		<title>By: paulie cannoli</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/09/lnc-bullying-angela-keaton/comment-page-3/#comment-12080</link>
		<dc:creator>paulie cannoli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 05:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Try the second link, GE. 

http://www.gislounge.com/images/aoi.gif

Then adjust it for LP membership from Lance&#039;s link.

The (general) population center is in SW Missouri, somewhat West of the last dot (from 2001. )  That means 50% of the general US population lives West of that point, 50% East, 50% North, and 50% South.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Try the second link, GE. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.gislounge.com/images/aoi.gif" rel="nofollow">http://www.gislounge.com/images/aoi.gif</a></p>
<p>Then adjust it for LP membership from Lance&#8217;s link.</p>
<p>The (general) population center is in SW Missouri, somewhat West of the last dot (from 2001. )  That means 50% of the general US population lives West of that point, 50% East, 50% North, and 50% South.</p>
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		<title>By: G.E.</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/09/lnc-bullying-angela-keaton/comment-page-3/#comment-12079</link>
		<dc:creator>G.E.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 05:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as Barr&#039;s buses... Was any large delegation but Georgia full?

There&#039;s nothing insidious about a campaign bringing supporters along.

The insidiousness is the LPHQ working to depress the turnout of undesirables.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as Barr&#8217;s buses&#8230; Was any large delegation but Georgia full?</p>
<p>There&#8217;s nothing insidious about a campaign bringing supporters along.</p>
<p>The insidiousness is the LPHQ working to depress the turnout of undesirables.</p>
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		<title>By: G.E.</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/09/lnc-bullying-angela-keaton/comment-page-3/#comment-12078</link>
		<dc:creator>G.E.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 05:00:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The people complaining about the mountains could have come from the West -- and that still proves my point. Hard to approach from the West, long from the East.

Your &quot;nope&quot; link proved nothing except that I was right. I think you were looking at the population GROWTH map. Here is the map of population density.

&lt;img src=&quot;http://www.gislounge.com/images/density.gif&quot;/&gt;

I&#039;m going to find out what portion of Americans live on the Eastern half of the country. My guess is it&#039;s at least 2/3, maybe 3/4.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The people complaining about the mountains could have come from the West &#8212; and that still proves my point. Hard to approach from the West, long from the East.</p>
<p>Your &#8220;nope&#8221; link proved nothing except that I was right. I think you were looking at the population GROWTH map. Here is the map of population density.</p>
<p><img src="http://www.gislounge.com/images/density.gif"/></p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to find out what portion of Americans live on the Eastern half of the country. My guess is it&#8217;s at least 2/3, maybe 3/4.</p>
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		<title>By: paulie cannoli</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/09/lnc-bullying-angela-keaton/comment-page-2/#comment-12077</link>
		<dc:creator>paulie cannoli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 04:56:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Still a good was SW of Chicago,&quot;

*good way</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Still a good was SW of Chicago,&#8221;</p>
<p>*good way</p>
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		<title>By: paulie cannoli</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/09/lnc-bullying-angela-keaton/comment-page-2/#comment-12076</link>
		<dc:creator>paulie cannoli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 04:56:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The huge majority of the country is on the eastern half of the nation â€” a huge, huge majority. &lt;/i&gt;

Nope. 

However, I was wrong: the population center has not moved as far SW as I recalled. Still a good was SW of Chicago, in SW Missouri as of 2001, and the trend is clearly westward. 

http://gislounge.com/us-census-2000-population-trends-mapped/

http://www.gislounge.com/images/aoi.gif

The LP membership is more Western based than the general population. See Lance&#039;s link. 


&lt;i&gt;Wow, I guess the dozens of delegates who made it to Denver complaining about the difficulty of going through the mountains, etc.,&lt;/i&gt;

Those would be people coming from the West, since the mountains are West of Denver. I thought you were just claiming that the vast majority of people come from the East? 

Eastern Colorado is flat, and rises gradually to a mile high in Denver. There are some mountain passes in Western Colorado that can be difficult, but not so much in late May.  

&lt;i&gt;as well as the dozens more who said they didnâ€™t come because it was in Denver, &lt;/i&gt;

Of course. If it was in any other place, Chicago included, a different set of dozens would have had the same problem. 

Let&#039;s just say that if my objective was to pick a difficult to get to location for most people, I would not have picked Denver. Portland, on the other hand, was a &quot;good&quot; choice from that perspective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The huge majority of the country is on the eastern half of the nation â€” a huge, huge majority. </i></p>
<p>Nope. </p>
<p>However, I was wrong: the population center has not moved as far SW as I recalled. Still a good was SW of Chicago, in SW Missouri as of 2001, and the trend is clearly westward. </p>
<p><a href="http://gislounge.com/us-census-2000-population-trends-mapped/" rel="nofollow">http://gislounge.com/us-census-2000-population-trends-mapped/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.gislounge.com/images/aoi.gif" rel="nofollow">http://www.gislounge.com/images/aoi.gif</a></p>
<p>The LP membership is more Western based than the general population. See Lance&#8217;s link. </p>
<p><i>Wow, I guess the dozens of delegates who made it to Denver complaining about the difficulty of going through the mountains, etc.,</i></p>
<p>Those would be people coming from the West, since the mountains are West of Denver. I thought you were just claiming that the vast majority of people come from the East? </p>
<p>Eastern Colorado is flat, and rises gradually to a mile high in Denver. There are some mountain passes in Western Colorado that can be difficult, but not so much in late May.  </p>
<p><i>as well as the dozens more who said they didnâ€™t come because it was in Denver, </i></p>
<p>Of course. If it was in any other place, Chicago included, a different set of dozens would have had the same problem. </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s just say that if my objective was to pick a difficult to get to location for most people, I would not have picked Denver. Portland, on the other hand, was a &#8220;good&#8221; choice from that perspective.</p>
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		<title>By: G.E.</title>
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		<dc:creator>G.E.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 04:35:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to compare the attendance, state by state, in 2004 vs. 2008. The huge majority of the country is on the eastern half of the nation -- a huge, huge majority. I can&#039;t believe there&#039;s any way that LP membership demographics could possibly swing so far in the other direction.

Wow, I guess the dozens of delegates who made it to Denver complaining about the difficulty of going through the mountains, etc., as well as the dozens more who said they didn&#039;t come because it was in Denver, are wrong, and you are right, paulie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to compare the attendance, state by state, in 2004 vs. 2008. The huge majority of the country is on the eastern half of the nation &#8212; a huge, huge majority. I can&#8217;t believe there&#8217;s any way that LP membership demographics could possibly swing so far in the other direction.</p>
<p>Wow, I guess the dozens of delegates who made it to Denver complaining about the difficulty of going through the mountains, etc., as well as the dozens more who said they didn&#8217;t come because it was in Denver, are wrong, and you are right, paulie.</p>
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		<title>By: paulie cannoli</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/09/lnc-bullying-angela-keaton/comment-page-2/#comment-12071</link>
		<dc:creator>paulie cannoli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 04:31:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Denver is also difficult to approach by land. &lt;/i&gt;

I-70 and I-25, two of the most major freeways in the country. I-80, which is even more major, is a very short distance north; just drop down 76 if Westbound.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Denver is also difficult to approach by land. </i></p>
<p>I-70 and I-25, two of the most major freeways in the country. I-80, which is even more major, is a very short distance north; just drop down 76 if Westbound.</p>
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		<title>By: Lance Brown</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/09/lnc-bullying-angela-keaton/comment-page-2/#comment-12070</link>
		<dc:creator>Lance Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 04:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>G.E.,

&lt;i&gt;Lance - You asked a question, I gave you an answer. Sorry!&lt;/i&gt;

I wasn&#039;t referring to that one time, but rather the other hundreds of times you&#039;ve casually insulted Redpath.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>G.E.,</p>
<p><i>Lance &#8211; You asked a question, I gave you an answer. Sorry!</i></p>
<p>I wasn&#8217;t referring to that one time, but rather the other hundreds of times you&#8217;ve casually insulted Redpath.</p>
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		<title>By: paulie cannoli</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/09/lnc-bullying-angela-keaton/comment-page-2/#comment-12069</link>
		<dc:creator>paulie cannoli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 04:26:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;A fund to help people get to the convention is a good idea, by the way.&lt;/i&gt;

Yes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>A fund to help people get to the convention is a good idea, by the way.</i></p>
<p>Yes.</p>
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