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	<title>Comments on: Libertarian Presidential candidate Bob Barr has two new books coming out</title>
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		<title>By: Prospective Advertiser</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/09/libertarian-presidential-candidate-bob-barr-has-two-new-books-coming-out/comment-page-2/#comment-37446</link>
		<dc:creator>Prospective Advertiser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 00:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve watched Jack Parr on television, and Congresscritter, you&#039;re no Jack Parr!  Nor Bob Parr, either, it seems.  Amazon shows no book with that author, either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve watched Jack Parr on television, and Congresscritter, you&#8217;re no Jack Parr!  Nor Bob Parr, either, it seems.  Amazon shows no book with that author, either.</p>
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		<title>By: Prospective Advertiser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Prospective Advertiser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 00:07:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, on a lark, I looked up his book rank on Amazon.  Patriot Nation doesn&#039;t show up on Amazon, which seems likely to mean fewer sales.  His &quot;The Meaning of Is: Squandered Impeachment Wasted Legacy of Clinton&quot; book has a 786,000 or so sales rank.  I&#039;m not sure how to find actual sales figures, but there is probably a publisher book wire of some sort for that kind of data.

Then I went here:
http://thepatriotnation.com/Advocates/

Look at the title tag.  &quot;Bob Parr&#039;s laws.&quot;  Yeah.  Bob Parr.  Maybe that&#039;s why I can&#039;t find his book on Amazon. lol

The page offers a downloadable version of the book, which is probably also not selling very well.  (Pirates ahoy?) And it wants to open a popup window.  I&#039;m thinking no thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, on a lark, I looked up his book rank on Amazon.  Patriot Nation doesn&#8217;t show up on Amazon, which seems likely to mean fewer sales.  His &#8220;The Meaning of Is: Squandered Impeachment Wasted Legacy of Clinton&#8221; book has a 786,000 or so sales rank.  I&#8217;m not sure how to find actual sales figures, but there is probably a publisher book wire of some sort for that kind of data.</p>
<p>Then I went here:<br />
<a href="http://thepatriotnation.com/Advocates/" rel="nofollow">http://thepatriotnation.com/Advocates/</a></p>
<p>Look at the title tag.  &#8220;Bob Parr&#8217;s laws.&#8221;  Yeah.  Bob Parr.  Maybe that&#8217;s why I can&#8217;t find his book on Amazon. lol</p>
<p>The page offers a downloadable version of the book, which is probably also not selling very well.  (Pirates ahoy?) And it wants to open a popup window.  I&#8217;m thinking no thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rachel H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 00:59:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I know, it&#039;s ENM.

Peter Orvetti is an idiot?  :o)

And I&#039;m a dumb@$$. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I know, it&#8217;s ENM.</p>
<p>Peter Orvetti is an idiot?  <img src='http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_surprised.gif' alt=':o' class='wp-smiley' /> )</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m a dumb@$$.</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rachel H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 00:58:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ElfNinosMom @ 26 -

&quot;Does anyone know who is profiting from the books? Are proceeds going to Barr personally, to his campaign, or to the LP?&quot;

Nothing goes from Barr to LP; it&#039;s all one way.

And who was it that accused other nominees of running in order to sell books? (Not EMN)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ElfNinosMom @ 26 -</p>
<p>&#8220;Does anyone know who is profiting from the books? Are proceeds going to Barr personally, to his campaign, or to the LP?&#8221;</p>
<p>Nothing goes from Barr to LP; it&#8217;s all one way.</p>
<p>And who was it that accused other nominees of running in order to sell books? (Not EMN)</p>
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		<title>By: darolew</title>
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		<dc:creator>darolew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 21:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;What is your opinion on the significance of game theory in understanding rational decision making?&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;ll confess ignorance. I really haven&#039;t done enough reading on game theory to have formed an opinion.

&lt;i&gt;&quot;...and I seem to recall a whole lot of formal math, which Austrians unfortunately reject out of principle.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

I do seem to recall some math and equations in Austrian writings, but generally it&#039;s pretty limited.

--

Austrians probably never will use math, which I think is a good thing. One of the biggest disputes in economics is what forms the foundation of the science. Austrians contend that it&#039;s praxeology. Others, math, still others, statistics, yet more others, models, &lt;i&gt;etc.&lt;/i&gt; For a century and a half the Austrian school has been fighting and actively debunking the methods of the others. To give that up, the Austrian School would lose its defining characteristic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;What is your opinion on the significance of game theory in understanding rational decision making?&#8221;</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;ll confess ignorance. I really haven&#8217;t done enough reading on game theory to have formed an opinion.</p>
<p><i>&#8220;&#8230;and I seem to recall a whole lot of formal math, which Austrians unfortunately reject out of principle.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>I do seem to recall some math and equations in Austrian writings, but generally it&#8217;s pretty limited.</p>
<p>&#8211;</p>
<p>Austrians probably never will use math, which I think is a good thing. One of the biggest disputes in economics is what forms the foundation of the science. Austrians contend that it&#8217;s praxeology. Others, math, still others, statistics, yet more others, models, <i>etc.</i> For a century and a half the Austrian school has been fighting and actively debunking the methods of the others. To give that up, the Austrian School would lose its defining characteristic.</p>
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		<title>By: mscrib</title>
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		<dc:creator>mscrib</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 21:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>darolew,

What is your opinion on the significance of game theory in understanding rational decision making? Personally, I think it&#039;s useful (to an extent) and I seem to recall a whole lot of formal math, which Austrians unfortunately reject out of principle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>darolew,</p>
<p>What is your opinion on the significance of game theory in understanding rational decision making? Personally, I think it&#8217;s useful (to an extent) and I seem to recall a whole lot of formal math, which Austrians unfortunately reject out of principle.</p>
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		<title>By: darolew</title>
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		<dc:creator>darolew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 21:28:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*should&lt;b&gt;n&#039;t&lt;/b&gt; the conclusions be also</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*should<b>n&#8217;t</b> the conclusions be also</p>
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		<title>By: darolew</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/09/libertarian-presidential-candidate-bob-barr-has-two-new-books-coming-out/comment-page-1/#comment-17662</link>
		<dc:creator>darolew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 21:28:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;I donâ€™t think the methods are wrong (just less useful than their proponents claim).&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

If the methods are correct, should the conclusions be also? If that&#039;s the case, why are most econometric-derived conclusions statist fallacies?

&lt;i&gt;&quot;And, hypothetically, if everyone affiliated with Mises actually started using them, they would probably be published by serious journals more often (and get tenure at top-tier universities, etc.).&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Probably not.

&lt;i&gt;&quot;I fully support the Mises folks infiltrating â€œEstablishment Economics,â€ provided they can do it.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Again, that may have some value, but it also concedes a lot of points to the establishment economists. Using their methodology against them is to concede their methodology is correct.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;I donâ€™t think the methods are wrong (just less useful than their proponents claim).&#8221;</i></p>
<p>If the methods are correct, should the conclusions be also? If that&#8217;s the case, why are most econometric-derived conclusions statist fallacies?</p>
<p><i>&#8220;And, hypothetically, if everyone affiliated with Mises actually started using them, they would probably be published by serious journals more often (and get tenure at top-tier universities, etc.).&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Probably not.</p>
<p><i>&#8220;I fully support the Mises folks infiltrating â€œEstablishment Economics,â€ provided they can do it.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Again, that may have some value, but it also concedes a lot of points to the establishment economists. Using their methodology against them is to concede their methodology is correct.</p>
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		<title>By: mscrib</title>
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		<dc:creator>mscrib</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 21:18:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I forgot to mention that they&#039;d have to drop some of the dogmatic Rothbardian weirdness in order to do this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I forgot to mention that they&#8217;d have to drop some of the dogmatic Rothbardian weirdness in order to do this.</p>
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		<title>By: mscrib</title>
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		<dc:creator>mscrib</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 21:17:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>darolew,

I don&#039;t think the methods are wrong (just less useful than their proponents claim). And, hypothetically, if everyone affiliated with Mises actually started using them, they would probably be published by serious journals more often (and get tenure at top-tier universities, etc.). I fully support the Mises folks infiltrating &quot;Establishment Economics,&quot; provided they can do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>darolew,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think the methods are wrong (just less useful than their proponents claim). And, hypothetically, if everyone affiliated with Mises actually started using them, they would probably be published by serious journals more often (and get tenure at top-tier universities, etc.). I fully support the Mises folks infiltrating &#8220;Establishment Economics,&#8221; provided they can do it.</p>
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		<title>By: mscrib</title>
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		<dc:creator>mscrib</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 21:13:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is anyone (other than WinstonSmith) planning to buy either of these books? I&#039;ve always wondered why people waste so much of their time reading over-hyped campaign literature.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is anyone (other than WinstonSmith) planning to buy either of these books? I&#8217;ve always wondered why people waste so much of their time reading over-hyped campaign literature.</p>
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		<title>By: darolew</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/09/libertarian-presidential-candidate-bob-barr-has-two-new-books-coming-out/comment-page-1/#comment-17654</link>
		<dc:creator>darolew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 21:08:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;The fact of the matter is that although mathematics and econometrics havenâ€™t, in and of themselves, contributed greatly to the advancement of economics during the past 50 years, formal mathematics is the de facto (if not de jure) language of modern economics.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

So Austrian economists should use the wrong methods to come to the right conclusions? There might be some value in that, as it might draw the interest of many traditional economist with reject Austrian analysis out of hand. However, such would be a very hollow victory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;The fact of the matter is that although mathematics and econometrics havenâ€™t, in and of themselves, contributed greatly to the advancement of economics during the past 50 years, formal mathematics is the de facto (if not de jure) language of modern economics.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>So Austrian economists should use the wrong methods to come to the right conclusions? There might be some value in that, as it might draw the interest of many traditional economist with reject Austrian analysis out of hand. However, such would be a very hollow victory.</p>
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		<title>By: johncjackson</title>
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		<dc:creator>johncjackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 21:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just noticed GE has one of the best and most prominent reviews of the Ron Paul book on Amazon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just noticed GE has one of the best and most prominent reviews of the Ron Paul book on Amazon.</p>
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		<title>By: johncjackson</title>
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		<dc:creator>johncjackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 21:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are these &quot;real&quot; books? You know, available in actual book stores and Amazon,etc? If not, what&#039;s the point. eBooks certainly have a place in life now, but I think anyone with half a brain realizes that &quot;the internet&quot; is still overrated when it comes to reaching actual voters.

Even Wayne Root gets books published and on store shelves ( though the shelf life is short).. and Ron Paul had a best seller through actual physical sales both on Amazon and in actual book stores, not from Choir downloads.

Haha if you search amazon books for &quot;bob barr&quot; the first result is the &quot;A Revolution:.. by ROn Paul&quot; book.

&quot;Winston&quot; is right about 1 thing- ROn Paul supporters are not really the natural base for Bob Barr ( or to a certain extent even the LP), but he was wrong about much else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are these &#8220;real&#8221; books? You know, available in actual book stores and Amazon,etc? If not, what&#8217;s the point. eBooks certainly have a place in life now, but I think anyone with half a brain realizes that &#8220;the internet&#8221; is still overrated when it comes to reaching actual voters.</p>
<p>Even Wayne Root gets books published and on store shelves ( though the shelf life is short).. and Ron Paul had a best seller through actual physical sales both on Amazon and in actual book stores, not from Choir downloads.</p>
<p>Haha if you search amazon books for &#8220;bob barr&#8221; the first result is the &#8220;A Revolution:.. by ROn Paul&#8221; book.</p>
<p>&#8220;Winston&#8221; is right about 1 thing- ROn Paul supporters are not really the natural base for Bob Barr ( or to a certain extent even the LP), but he was wrong about much else.</p>
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		<title>By: mscrib</title>
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		<dc:creator>mscrib</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 20:59:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>G.E.,

I take it you&#039;ve never bothered to &quot;learn&quot; econometrics? I think the same is true for too many Austrians...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>G.E.,</p>
<p>I take it you&#8217;ve never bothered to &#8220;learn&#8221; econometrics? I think the same is true for too many Austrians&#8230;</p>
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