Libertarian Neil Kiernan Stephenson, Green Party candidate Candace Caveny, and Democrat Robert Denison — all candidates to replace Republican incumbent and REAL ID leader Candice Miller (who didn’t show up) as Michigan’s 10th district congressional rep. — recently participated in a debate. IPR has added the audio to its YouTube channel.
Note: Neil Stephenson does not appear in Part 1 of the video.
27 responses so far ↓
1 G.E. // Sep 21, 2008 at 5:02 pm
Most classic part: At end of Part 1 and beginning of Part 2, disgusting Democratic sycophant is naming all the candidates you “have to” vote for, and can’t even remember their names… But they have D’s next to them on the ballot, so you have to “do the right thing and vote Democratic.”
2 VTV // Sep 21, 2008 at 5:18 pm
I loved making him squirm with the impeachment question.
3 Hitsumei // Sep 21, 2008 at 5:26 pm
Neil Kiernan Stephenson definitely won the debate. With the impeachment question, he underlined the hypocrisy of Denison (and Obama etc.)
Like Barr, Candice Miller avoids debates and has a ton of neocon baggage. Also Miller has quite some money from the MIC according to opensecrets.org
As for Candace Caveny, she’s not too bad, but she is not very good at making straight talk.
In the second part of Stephenson’s speech, he really drove it home.
4 VTV // Sep 21, 2008 at 6:02 pm
By the way G.E. some nutjob is saying that the Michigan LP is violating the FEC registration. You know anything about this? I am being accused of being a crook by one of the trolls on RPF.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=154945&page=7
5 paulie cannoli // Sep 21, 2008 at 6:04 pm
Most third party candidates for any of those parties seem to be missing on the FEC site.
Because most of them don’t raise 5k to be required to file.
6 VTV // Sep 21, 2008 at 6:04 pm
Oh, an FYI, for some reason Candace Caveny’s question was not on here. Her question to me that I answer in part 3 was my feelings on privatizing the building of roads.
7 paulie cannoli // Sep 21, 2008 at 6:04 pm
I have a small problem that Neil is into devil worship and that he has a restraining order against him for battering his wife.
Huh?
8 G.E. // Sep 21, 2008 at 6:05 pm
Bingo.
I hate Ron Paul people who don’t understand liberty.
You wouldn’t be a “crook” for raising $500 million and refusing to file. You’d be a hero.
9 paulie cannoli // Sep 21, 2008 at 6:08 pm
Oh, I see you answered that already.
10 VTV // Sep 21, 2008 at 6:08 pm
Man, if I could get some of you to go to RPF and tell them that, it would be great. Fourtunetly this Sally08 person (who managed to get banned from DP for this kind of thing) is not well liked.
11 paulie cannoli // Sep 21, 2008 at 6:09 pm
I forgot my login, and don’t feel like registering there again right now.
Feel free to quote me or link back here, though.
12 VTV // Sep 21, 2008 at 6:10 pm
Oh and hey, how did I do? Be brutally honest.
13 paulie cannoli // Sep 21, 2008 at 6:11 pm
I don’t have sound on this one. I’ll let you know when I get a chance to listen.
The video does not tell me much on this one.
14 G.E. // Sep 21, 2008 at 6:27 pm
Neil’s opening statement: I thought he was going to go protectionist, but then he flipped the script and went hardcore anti-tax. Great! Then anti-war and anti-draft, personalizing hit, hitting home… Wonderful opening speech!
15 G.E. // Sep 21, 2008 at 6:37 pm
Your question from Candace is posed at the end of part 2, your answer is on part 3.
I don’t really agree with your answer. Who is the “they” that you’re talking about? The “they” is much more diverse than you’re letting on. There are definitely interests that want to drill. The gas stations are prohibited from charging high prices by the government. And the gas stations’ interests are totally not the same as the oil companies which are not the same as OPEC, etc.
Then you ask your question to the Dem… Heroic! You put him on the spot. What a pathetic loser this Denison guy is. A cowardly cretin. “He’ll pay the price in history” — okay, Commie!
16 G.E. // Sep 21, 2008 at 6:38 pm
Overall, an excellent and courageous performance by Neil Kiernan Stephenson. Coming from the Gravel campaign, I was a little worried he’d fall short of libertarian principles; but this has not been the case at all.
17 VTV // Sep 21, 2008 at 6:49 pm
Thanks for your assesment G.E.
The point I was trying to make, is that the Oil companies want oil to be a precious commodity so they can charge more for selling less. It’s pretty obvious when you watch the debates on C-SPAN.
I don’t advocate a regulatory answer to this. What has to be done is if that is what is going on in the oil industry, the free market needs to give alternatives in the form of alternate and cheaper energy.
18 G.E. // Sep 21, 2008 at 6:50 pm
So you’re saying the oil companies don’t want to drill?
I don’t agree with that at all.
The oil companies have very little control over supply. OPEC can flood the market at any time — like they did to kill the electric car (which I know you know since you referenced the movie).
19 G.E. // Sep 21, 2008 at 6:52 pm
The free market WILL develop alternatives if oil prices stay high. The market did develop electric cars when oil was high, and then OPEC expanded supply to make electric cars less affordable.
Solution = Make the price of gas paid at the pump the REAL price that is currently heavily subsidized. Only the government could be stupid enough to tax a commodity that it at the same time subsidizes. Real cost of gas is more like $10 a gallon. At those prices, trust me, we’d find alternatives.
20 VTV // Sep 21, 2008 at 6:57 pm
Well I think the cause is somewhere else. But I think our solutions are the same. Not uncommon I have found when talking with Libertarians.
The democrats put forth their “use it or lose it” bill specifically to tell oil companies to drill on the land they own that obviously has oil that they are not drilling on, or lose their land.
No, I do not advocate that either, as you can probably imagine. But it became clear to me watching the debates about drilling that they don’t want offshore drilling and things of that nature because it will make the price of oil go down, and their profits along with it.
If your commodity was gold, it would not be in your best interest to see a million tons of Gold discovered either.
21 Ross Levin // Sep 21, 2008 at 7:41 pm
Neil – this was on C Span?
22 VTV // Sep 21, 2008 at 7:42 pm
I wish. No. It was on a local newspaper’s website.
23 Ross Levin // Sep 21, 2008 at 7:47 pm
Oh, I must have misread that.
24 VTV // Sep 21, 2008 at 8:45 pm
Anyone else seen this?
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=156953
25 G.E. // Sep 21, 2008 at 10:53 pm
Neil – It is very bad policy to “allow” companies to drill on government land — it is very bad policy for there to BE government land. It leads to the type of manipulation you’re talking about.
There is not a free market in energy or anything close to it. Part of that is beyond the U.S.’s control, but as the number-one energy consumer, there is a lot the U.S. could do to free up the market. I don’t think we have a point of disagreement here, I’m just saying that the “they” you talk about in the debate is not a homogeneous group.
26 VTV // Sep 21, 2008 at 11:14 pm
I will look into it further.
27 VTV // Sep 22, 2008 at 4:35 pm
The next forum I have been invited to is from the ladies auxillary of the Veterans of foreign wars. I have been very pleaseantly surprised with the invitations I have been getting. The more our mainstream parties screw up, the more attention we third parties are getting.
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