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	<title>Comments on: Bob Barr: &#8216;Strong believer&#8217; in death penalty as &#8216;appropriate and just punishment&#8217;</title>
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		<title>By: aviators99</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/09/bob-barr-strong-believer-in-death-penalty-as-appropriate-and-just-punishment/comment-page-1/#comment-18020</link>
		<dc:creator>aviators99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 16:29:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great, now I have nobody for whom to vote.  I won&#039;t vote for anyone who is pro death penalty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great, now I have nobody for whom to vote.  I won&#8217;t vote for anyone who is pro death penalty.</p>
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		<title>By: pdsa</title>
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		<dc:creator>pdsa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 05:30:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Hugh Jass -&lt;/i&gt; Again; the reason that Troy Davis is facing execution for a crime he probably did not commit is because of legislation that Barr spearheaded into being in 1996. It is Barr&#039;s own legislated into law habeas limitations that has hog-tied the criminal appellate system; has forced into play procedural time-limited barricades that trump exonerating evidence.

This is what habeas corpus reforms pushed down our throats in the 90&#039;s has done. I am opposed to the death penalty, because the criminal justice system is flawed, and there will always be a chance that a person convicted of a capital crime is not guilty of the act. There are certainly a few crimes for which death is an appropriate punishment.

Omelettes are fine and dandy, as long as you&#039;re the chef or the consumer. They are hell for the suckers whose heads are getting cracked upon the side of the bowl, and poured into the mix. Barr is responsible for this travesty of justice, and it is good he has spoken out against it, but he is a weasel to avoid accepting  responsibility for its existence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Hugh Jass -</i> Again; the reason that Troy Davis is facing execution for a crime he probably did not commit is because of legislation that Barr spearheaded into being in 1996. It is Barr&#8217;s own legislated into law habeas limitations that has hog-tied the criminal appellate system; has forced into play procedural time-limited barricades that trump exonerating evidence.</p>
<p>This is what habeas corpus reforms pushed down our throats in the 90&#8217;s has done. I am opposed to the death penalty, because the criminal justice system is flawed, and there will always be a chance that a person convicted of a capital crime is not guilty of the act. There are certainly a few crimes for which death is an appropriate punishment.</p>
<p>Omelettes are fine and dandy, as long as you&#8217;re the chef or the consumer. They are hell for the suckers whose heads are getting cracked upon the side of the bowl, and poured into the mix. Barr is responsible for this travesty of justice, and it is good he has spoken out against it, but he is a weasel to avoid accepting  responsibility for its existence.</p>
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		<title>By: darolew</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/09/bob-barr-strong-believer-in-death-penalty-as-appropriate-and-just-punishment/comment-page-1/#comment-15562</link>
		<dc:creator>darolew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 03:51:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I oppose the death penalty. No government--and certainly no private corporation--should be executing people. If one is found to be falsely accused, normally compensation is possible. Not so in the case of the death penalty. That alone should be enough reason to give pause.

Also, I fail to see how one could justify the death penalty with the non-aggression principle. Sure, killing a murderer (or would-be murderer) while the crime is in progress is self-defense. How is the death penalty self-defense, at all? It&#039;s not self-defense to punch a man in the nose seven years after he kicked me in the shins, and it&#039;s not self-defense to execute a man seven years after he kills someone.

The death penalty is not compensation. It is not libertarian.

The only possible exception is if one agrees to be bound to the death penalty via a contract. And I&#039;m not sure how that would work out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I oppose the death penalty. No government&#8211;and certainly no private corporation&#8211;should be executing people. If one is found to be falsely accused, normally compensation is possible. Not so in the case of the death penalty. That alone should be enough reason to give pause.</p>
<p>Also, I fail to see how one could justify the death penalty with the non-aggression principle. Sure, killing a murderer (or would-be murderer) while the crime is in progress is self-defense. How is the death penalty self-defense, at all? It&#8217;s not self-defense to punch a man in the nose seven years after he kicked me in the shins, and it&#8217;s not self-defense to execute a man seven years after he kills someone.</p>
<p>The death penalty is not compensation. It is not libertarian.</p>
<p>The only possible exception is if one agrees to be bound to the death penalty via a contract. And I&#8217;m not sure how that would work out.</p>
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		<title>By: G.E.</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/09/bob-barr-strong-believer-in-death-penalty-as-appropriate-and-just-punishment/comment-page-1/#comment-15454</link>
		<dc:creator>G.E.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 23:31:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also think murderers and rapists should be put to death. 

But not by the state.

No death penalty while the monopoly government still exists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also think murderers and rapists should be put to death. </p>
<p>But not by the state.</p>
<p>No death penalty while the monopoly government still exists.</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh Jass</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/09/bob-barr-strong-believer-in-death-penalty-as-appropriate-and-just-punishment/comment-page-1/#comment-15450</link>
		<dc:creator>Hugh Jass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 23:29:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe I read it differently than you did, but it sounded like Barr opposed putting Davis to death, but supported the death penalty in principle. While I object to Barr on dozens of other issues, I don&#039;t see anything wrong with supporting the death penalty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe I read it differently than you did, but it sounded like Barr opposed putting Davis to death, but supported the death penalty in principle. While I object to Barr on dozens of other issues, I don&#8217;t see anything wrong with supporting the death penalty.</p>
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		<title>By: pdsa</title>
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		<dc:creator>pdsa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 23:06:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Hugh Jass -&lt;/i&gt; you have no problem with executing a man for something he didn&#039;t do, even though every person who testified for the defense as witnesses, excepting the man who seems to be the real killer, has recanted his testimony?

You have no problem that this is not considered to be evidence worthy of another trial? If this is true, you may be pro-death penalty, but you are hardly a libertarian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Hugh Jass -</i> you have no problem with executing a man for something he didn&#8217;t do, even though every person who testified for the defense as witnesses, excepting the man who seems to be the real killer, has recanted his testimony?</p>
<p>You have no problem that this is not considered to be evidence worthy of another trial? If this is true, you may be pro-death penalty, but you are hardly a libertarian.</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh Jass</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/09/bob-barr-strong-believer-in-death-penalty-as-appropriate-and-just-punishment/comment-page-1/#comment-15419</link>
		<dc:creator>Hugh Jass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 22:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a pro-death penalty libertarian, I don&#039;t see whats wrong with this. However, I still don&#039;t think Barr is a libertarian, for unrelated reasons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a pro-death penalty libertarian, I don&#8217;t see whats wrong with this. However, I still don&#8217;t think Barr is a libertarian, for unrelated reasons.</p>
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		<title>By: G.E.</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/09/bob-barr-strong-believer-in-death-penalty-as-appropriate-and-just-punishment/comment-page-1/#comment-15347</link>
		<dc:creator>G.E.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 21:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Perhaps Barrâ€™s enthusiastic support for the death penalty will explain why he may have signed a check paying for his former wifeâ€™s abortion. There, too, the one paying the penalty was innocent. Say it isnâ€™t so, Bob.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

WAMMY!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Perhaps Barrâ€™s enthusiastic support for the death penalty will explain why he may have signed a check paying for his former wifeâ€™s abortion. There, too, the one paying the penalty was innocent. Say it isnâ€™t so, Bob.</p></blockquote>
<p>WAMMY!</p>
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		<title>By: johnlowell</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/09/bob-barr-strong-believer-in-death-penalty-as-appropriate-and-just-punishment/comment-page-1/#comment-15337</link>
		<dc:creator>johnlowell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 20:52:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps Barrâ€™s enthusiastic support for the death penalty will explain why he may have signed a check paying for his former wifeâ€™s abortion. There, too, the one paying the penalty was innocent. Say it isnâ€™t so, Bob.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps Barrâ€™s enthusiastic support for the death penalty will explain why he may have signed a check paying for his former wifeâ€™s abortion. There, too, the one paying the penalty was innocent. Say it isnâ€™t so, Bob.</p>
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		<title>By: pdsa</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/09/bob-barr-strong-believer-in-death-penalty-as-appropriate-and-just-punishment/comment-page-1/#comment-15307</link>
		<dc:creator>pdsa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 19:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Thomas L. Knapp -&lt;/i&gt; it is commendable that Barr has come out against the execution of Troy Davis.

Still he should be a &lt;b&gt;REAL&lt;/b&gt; conservative about it, apologise to Amerioca for his past transgressions, and accept the blood on his hands if Davis is executed. Until he does, he&#039;s just a contemporary conservative who still has not yet tossed every scrap of his soul into the bottomless pit of moral relativism in my book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Thomas L. Knapp -</i> it is commendable that Barr has come out against the execution of Troy Davis.</p>
<p>Still he should be a <b>REAL</b> conservative about it, apologise to Amerioca for his past transgressions, and accept the blood on his hands if Davis is executed. Until he does, he&#8217;s just a contemporary conservative who still has not yet tossed every scrap of his soul into the bottomless pit of moral relativism in my book.</p>
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		<title>By: Ross Levin</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/09/bob-barr-strong-believer-in-death-penalty-as-appropriate-and-just-punishment/comment-page-1/#comment-15305</link>
		<dc:creator>Ross Levin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 19:32:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob Herbert wrote a piece about this case.  Didn&#039;t mention Barr, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob Herbert wrote a piece about this case.  Didn&#8217;t mention Barr, though.</p>
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		<title>By: pdsa</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/09/bob-barr-strong-believer-in-death-penalty-as-appropriate-and-just-punishment/comment-page-1/#comment-15304</link>
		<dc:creator>pdsa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 19:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;svf -&lt;/i&gt; Barr is directly responsible for the gutting of Habeas Corpus in the Republican Hijacking of the 1995 Anti-Terroism legislation, which got repackaged and renamed: &quot;Anti-terrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act in 1996&quot;.

It is the gutting of habeas appeals written into this law that has caused the travesty of justice in the Troy Davis case.

&lt;blockquote&gt;This provision, though simple, Mr. Chairman, in my proposed amendment will strengthen that study that is required currently by H.R. 2703. With regard, Mr. Chairman, to what I consider the linchpin of this legislation, and that is habeas corpus reform, it is important to recognize that the proposed amendments in H.R. 2703 to our Federal habeas corpus laws strike a very appropriate balance between Federal and States&#039; rights that is not currently in place. The reforms contemplated by H.R. 2703 will stop the endless, pointless, and abusive delays currently available to those in our State court system to avoid the carrying out of a death sentence.

&lt;b&gt;Bob Barr, Congressional Record: March 13, 1996, &lt;a href=&quot;http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=1996_record&amp;docid=cr13mr96-94&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;GPO DOCID:cr13mr96-94&lt;/a&gt;, Page H2168&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Barr politicised habeaas corpus, as a part the GOP&#039;s Contract  On America in the 90&#039;s. He rammed through the legislation which is the cause of exculpatory evidence being denied for procedural grounds in the Troy Davis appeals.

Engineer Bob Barr was driving the train that railroaded Davis. Why won&#039;t he at least admit his mistake, and his henious assault upon habeas corpus?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>svf -</i> Barr is directly responsible for the gutting of Habeas Corpus in the Republican Hijacking of the 1995 Anti-Terroism legislation, which got repackaged and renamed: &#8220;Anti-terrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act in 1996&#8243;.</p>
<p>It is the gutting of habeas appeals written into this law that has caused the travesty of justice in the Troy Davis case.</p>
<blockquote><p>This provision, though simple, Mr. Chairman, in my proposed amendment will strengthen that study that is required currently by H.R. 2703. With regard, Mr. Chairman, to what I consider the linchpin of this legislation, and that is habeas corpus reform, it is important to recognize that the proposed amendments in H.R. 2703 to our Federal habeas corpus laws strike a very appropriate balance between Federal and States&#8217; rights that is not currently in place. The reforms contemplated by H.R. 2703 will stop the endless, pointless, and abusive delays currently available to those in our State court system to avoid the carrying out of a death sentence.</p>
<p><b>Bob Barr, Congressional Record: March 13, 1996, <a href="http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=1996_record&amp;docid=cr13mr96-94" rel="nofollow">GPO DOCID:cr13mr96-94</a>, Page H2168</b></p></blockquote>
<p>Barr politicised habeaas corpus, as a part the GOP&#8217;s Contract  On America in the 90&#8217;s. He rammed through the legislation which is the cause of exculpatory evidence being denied for procedural grounds in the Troy Davis appeals.</p>
<p>Engineer Bob Barr was driving the train that railroaded Davis. Why won&#8217;t he at least admit his mistake, and his henious assault upon habeas corpus?</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas L. Knapp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas L. Knapp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 19:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With a likely innocent life hanging on the line, I&#039;m less interested in &lt;em&gt;why&lt;/em&gt; Bob Barr is on the right side of this case (but perhaps wrong on the bigger picture) than I am in the fact the he &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; on the right side of the case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With a likely innocent life hanging on the line, I&#8217;m less interested in <em>why</em> Bob Barr is on the right side of this case (but perhaps wrong on the bigger picture) than I am in the fact the he <em>is</em> on the right side of the case.</p>
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		<title>By: svf</title>
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		<dc:creator>svf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 18:56:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Even Ron Paul changed his mind on the death penalty&lt;/i&gt;

Hell, Bob Barr has changed his mind about a whole lot of things... maybe the death penalty is next.   Perhaps the Troy Davis case will push him over the edge.  Perhaps Mr. LaBianca and other LPers could send him well-reasoned and persuasive arguments against the death penalty to help him see the light. 

I am against the death penalty.  I am voting for Barr.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Even Ron Paul changed his mind on the death penalty</i></p>
<p>Hell, Bob Barr has changed his mind about a whole lot of things&#8230; maybe the death penalty is next.   Perhaps the Troy Davis case will push him over the edge.  Perhaps Mr. LaBianca and other LPers could send him well-reasoned and persuasive arguments against the death penalty to help him see the light. </p>
<p>I am against the death penalty.  I am voting for Barr.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Milnes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Milnes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 18:51:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am against the death penalty. I am against Barr.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am against the death penalty. I am against Barr.</p>
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