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		<title>By: Spence</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 05:55:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Hurrah, someone who sees what I see, and is willing to say what they see!&quot;

Steve, I&#039;m slowly becoming more and more convinced that there is no future in the LP.  The party is either doomed by radical insolence or by the people who&#039;ve Barrjacked the NC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Hurrah, someone who sees what I see, and is willing to say what they see!&#8221;</p>
<p>Steve, I&#8217;m slowly becoming more and more convinced that there is no future in the LP.  The party is either doomed by radical insolence or by the people who&#8217;ve Barrjacked the NC.</p>
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		<title>By: FormerLPMember</title>
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		<dc:creator>FormerLPMember</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 05:51:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If anyone wants to compare the neo-con anti-libertarian voting record of Barr to the pro-liberty voting record of Paul here are the links:

Robert Laurence &#039;Bob&#039; Barr Jr. http://www.votesmart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=22028

Representative Ronald Ernest &#039;Ron&#039; Paul (TX)
http://www.votesmart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=296</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If anyone wants to compare the neo-con anti-libertarian voting record of Barr to the pro-liberty voting record of Paul here are the links:</p>
<p>Robert Laurence &#8216;Bob&#8217; Barr Jr. <a href="http://www.votesmart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=22028" rel="nofollow">http://www.votesmart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=22028</a></p>
<p>Representative Ronald Ernest &#8216;Ron&#8217; Paul (TX)<br />
<a href="http://www.votesmart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=296" rel="nofollow">http://www.votesmart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=296</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mike Gillis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Gillis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 02:54:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The proper way to deal with a piece of disgusting  and unconstitutional legislation is to amend it to make it as toothless as possible....

....and then to vote against it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The proper way to deal with a piece of disgusting  and unconstitutional legislation is to amend it to make it as toothless as possible&#8230;.</p>
<p>&#8230;.and then to vote against it.</p>
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		<title>By: libertyforone</title>
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		<dc:creator>libertyforone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 02:45:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Lance Brown:

You are misguided.  Voting for slavery so you can have a say as to where slaves can be sold does not get you points.  Voting for the Patriot Act so you can supposedly get some power to put in a sunset clause only got another vote for the Patriot Act.  Do you see a sunset clause in that Act?  No, of course not.  Deals with the devil don&#039;t come true.

Ron Paul&#039;s consistent NO in Congress may not seem to mean much to you, but it has done a lot for this country.  Millions supported Ron Paul when they heard the news.  Millions more would have supported him if they knew the facts too.  I talked to a lot of people and all of them were Ron Paul fans when they heard all he had done.  All of them.  

If you consistently sell out your soul in order to &quot;get something&quot; you end up soulless.  I am thrilled we have ONE patriot in Congress.  He gives me hope and that is a lot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Lance Brown:</p>
<p>You are misguided.  Voting for slavery so you can have a say as to where slaves can be sold does not get you points.  Voting for the Patriot Act so you can supposedly get some power to put in a sunset clause only got another vote for the Patriot Act.  Do you see a sunset clause in that Act?  No, of course not.  Deals with the devil don&#8217;t come true.</p>
<p>Ron Paul&#8217;s consistent NO in Congress may not seem to mean much to you, but it has done a lot for this country.  Millions supported Ron Paul when they heard the news.  Millions more would have supported him if they knew the facts too.  I talked to a lot of people and all of them were Ron Paul fans when they heard all he had done.  All of them.  </p>
<p>If you consistently sell out your soul in order to &#8220;get something&#8221; you end up soulless.  I am thrilled we have ONE patriot in Congress.  He gives me hope and that is a lot.</p>
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		<title>By: libertyforone</title>
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		<dc:creator>libertyforone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 02:37:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barr has done nothing but bad mouth Ron Paul and then he snubs him at the news conference, meanwhile he is begging him to get on his ticket so he has a chance in hel!.  

Sorry Barr.  You should read a little Austrian Economics before rushing to endorse things like the fair tax that will destroy the poor, put the middle class in the poor house, and end our economy.  (Would you buy a Toyota from here with an additional 32% tax or go buy it in Canada?  How about toothpaste?  Internet buying would increase by millions of percentage points.)

I am a big L libertarian and therefore I cannot vote for Barr.  He is not a libertarian.  He is a statist through and through who is trying to sell himself as a libertarian because he saw Paul do so well with it.  The difference is Paul has consistently voted libertarian while Barr only does so if he thinks it will get him votes.  

If you want change in this country, change the way you vote.  Repeating the same mistakes and expecting different results is the definition of insanity.

I will be writing in Ron Paul.  He is the only man to vote FOR.  I don&#039;t vote against people, because then I vote for some slime ball.  I like Ron Paul.  I think he can be a great President.   Therefore, I will vote for him.  Imagine if we all did so?  They might actually have to count the write ins.  

Barr is clearly playing some kind of political game.  He is a fool.  I am a smart libertarian.  I don&#039;t vote for fools.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barr has done nothing but bad mouth Ron Paul and then he snubs him at the news conference, meanwhile he is begging him to get on his ticket so he has a chance in hel!.  </p>
<p>Sorry Barr.  You should read a little Austrian Economics before rushing to endorse things like the fair tax that will destroy the poor, put the middle class in the poor house, and end our economy.  (Would you buy a Toyota from here with an additional 32% tax or go buy it in Canada?  How about toothpaste?  Internet buying would increase by millions of percentage points.)</p>
<p>I am a big L libertarian and therefore I cannot vote for Barr.  He is not a libertarian.  He is a statist through and through who is trying to sell himself as a libertarian because he saw Paul do so well with it.  The difference is Paul has consistently voted libertarian while Barr only does so if he thinks it will get him votes.  </p>
<p>If you want change in this country, change the way you vote.  Repeating the same mistakes and expecting different results is the definition of insanity.</p>
<p>I will be writing in Ron Paul.  He is the only man to vote FOR.  I don&#8217;t vote against people, because then I vote for some slime ball.  I like Ron Paul.  I think he can be a great President.   Therefore, I will vote for him.  Imagine if we all did so?  They might actually have to count the write ins.  </p>
<p>Barr is clearly playing some kind of political game.  He is a fool.  I am a smart libertarian.  I don&#8217;t vote for fools.</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh Jass</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hugh Jass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 01:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After this, Barr will be lucky if he gets more votes than Badnarik.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After this, Barr will be lucky if he gets more votes than Badnarik.</p>
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		<title>By: sunshinebatman</title>
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		<dc:creator>sunshinebatman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 23:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barr has pretty well burned most of his GOP bridges, but we&#039;ll see.   While Viguerie and Dondero may have gone back already, I don&#039;t think it will happen with Barr any time soon.  It took Paul eight years to go back to the GOP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barr has pretty well burned most of his GOP bridges, but we&#8217;ll see.   While Viguerie and Dondero may have gone back already, I don&#8217;t think it will happen with Barr any time soon.  It took Paul eight years to go back to the GOP.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve LaBianca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve LaBianca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 23:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spence  // Sep 10, 2008 at 6:11 pm

(Barr) &lt;i&gt; missed another opportunity, but as I suspect, itâ€™s just in efforts to raise his credibility with the GOP in the future.&lt;/i&gt;

Hurrah, someone who sees what I see, and is willing to say what they see!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spence  // Sep 10, 2008 at 6:11 pm</p>
<p>(Barr) <i> missed another opportunity, but as I suspect, itâ€™s just in efforts to raise his credibility with the GOP in the future.</i></p>
<p>Hurrah, someone who sees what I see, and is willing to say what they see!</p>
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		<title>By: Steve LaBianca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve LaBianca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 23:44:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Given that the focus of Ron Paul&#039;s press conference was the monopoly of the major parties, and the agreements which WAS hashed out amongst the &quot;minor&quot; party candidates, the Barr campaign, and the LP staff is blowing smoke with &quot;Bob, who is a major player in this election, (doesn&#039;t) want to be on stage with people like McKinney, who stands against everything the LP does . . .&quot; .  

Barr didn&#039;t want to be on stage with LP candidates either!  

I don&#039;t blame the LP staff for saying what they have said, but this is a major blunder by the Barr campaign, from the perspective of moving the political debate so that the two party charade is exposed, and no amount of damage control from the LP staff can cover that up.

This is sort of like saying that Barr won&#039;t debate other third party candidates.  Barr is a major player ?. ? .? . in your dreams Davis!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given that the focus of Ron Paul&#8217;s press conference was the monopoly of the major parties, and the agreements which WAS hashed out amongst the &#8220;minor&#8221; party candidates, the Barr campaign, and the LP staff is blowing smoke with &#8220;Bob, who is a major player in this election, (doesn&#8217;t) want to be on stage with people like McKinney, who stands against everything the LP does . . .&#8221; .  </p>
<p>Barr didn&#8217;t want to be on stage with LP candidates either!  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t blame the LP staff for saying what they have said, but this is a major blunder by the Barr campaign, from the perspective of moving the political debate so that the two party charade is exposed, and no amount of damage control from the LP staff can cover that up.</p>
<p>This is sort of like saying that Barr won&#8217;t debate other third party candidates.  Barr is a major player ?. ? .? . in your dreams Davis!</p>
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		<title>By: sunshinebatman</title>
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		<dc:creator>sunshinebatman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 23:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(OT: In politics and legislation &quot;sunshine&quot; usually refers to openess and transparency, increased reporting requirements, etc.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(OT: In politics and legislation &#8220;sunshine&#8221; usually refers to openess and transparency, increased reporting requirements, etc.)</p>
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		<title>By: Spence</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 22:11:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please, you fools. The term is sunset. Normally this wouldn&#039;t bother me so much, but when you say sunshine, it sounds exactly like the opposite of what a sunset clause is. That is..sunshine! Hey, it&#039;s just starting instead of TERMINATING!

And while I do agree that practically speaking, Barr did more than Paul&#039;s no vote did on the matter, that isn&#039;t the issue at hand. 

Once again, this &quot;psychological&quot; message that Barr is trying to send (I don&#039;t remember who is the person that said this first in reference to the kid&#039;s table debate) is butch. He missed another opportunity, but as I suspect, it&#039;s just in efforts to raise his credibility with the GOP in the future.

If the election were held today, I would write in NOTA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please, you fools. The term is sunset. Normally this wouldn&#8217;t bother me so much, but when you say sunshine, it sounds exactly like the opposite of what a sunset clause is. That is..sunshine! Hey, it&#8217;s just starting instead of TERMINATING!</p>
<p>And while I do agree that practically speaking, Barr did more than Paul&#8217;s no vote did on the matter, that isn&#8217;t the issue at hand. </p>
<p>Once again, this &#8220;psychological&#8221; message that Barr is trying to send (I don&#8217;t remember who is the person that said this first in reference to the kid&#8217;s table debate) is butch. He missed another opportunity, but as I suspect, it&#8217;s just in efforts to raise his credibility with the GOP in the future.</p>
<p>If the election were held today, I would write in NOTA.</p>
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		<title>By: sunshinebatman</title>
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		<dc:creator>sunshinebatman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 22:03:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lance -- Barr (with the help of others, such as Conyers) had actually gutted it alot more than just the handful of the sunshine clauses.  The House version was much much better going into conference.

Whoever mailed anthrax to Sens. Leahy and Daschle didn&#039;t anticipate that the Republican House would fight PATRIOT harder than the Democrat Senate.   

Hastert at the last minute threw everything Barr and the House did out the window and forced a vote on the Senate version.   And so it goes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lance &#8212; Barr (with the help of others, such as Conyers) had actually gutted it alot more than just the handful of the sunshine clauses.  The House version was much much better going into conference.</p>
<p>Whoever mailed anthrax to Sens. Leahy and Daschle didn&#8217;t anticipate that the Republican House would fight PATRIOT harder than the Democrat Senate.   </p>
<p>Hastert at the last minute threw everything Barr and the House did out the window and forced a vote on the Senate version.   And so it goes.</p>
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		<title>By: johncjackson</title>
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		<dc:creator>johncjackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 21:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barr, who served in the U.S. House as a Republican from Cobb County, was scheduled to be there, too, but changed his mind.

â€œBob had a press conference right after that one,â€ said campaign spokesman Andrew Davis. â€œHe didnâ€™t want to dilute his message by being on the same stage as people like Cynthia McKinney, who is completely opposite of what a Libertarian is.â€

Green Party spokesman Scott McLarty called Barrâ€™s statement â€œa disappointment.â€

â€œThe Green Party has been in alliance with the Libertarian Party on many issues, including election integrity and ballot access fairness,â€ McLarty said, adding that Barr â€œseemed petty and hostile to Cynthia McKinney in particular and the Green Party in general. They all disagree on a number of issues, no doubt about it. But it was the agreement that was important and Bob Barr brushed that aside.â€</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barr, who served in the U.S. House as a Republican from Cobb County, was scheduled to be there, too, but changed his mind.</p>
<p>â€œBob had a press conference right after that one,â€ said campaign spokesman Andrew Davis. â€œHe didnâ€™t want to dilute his message by being on the same stage as people like Cynthia McKinney, who is completely opposite of what a Libertarian is.â€</p>
<p>Green Party spokesman Scott McLarty called Barrâ€™s statement â€œa disappointment.â€</p>
<p>â€œThe Green Party has been in alliance with the Libertarian Party on many issues, including election integrity and ballot access fairness,â€ McLarty said, adding that Barr â€œseemed petty and hostile to Cynthia McKinney in particular and the Green Party in general. They all disagree on a number of issues, no doubt about it. But it was the agreement that was important and Bob Barr brushed that aside.â€</p>
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		<title>By: johncjackson</title>
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		<dc:creator>johncjackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 21:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Lance Brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lance Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 21:48:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it&#039;s true that Barr negotiated the sunshine clause into the &quot;USA-PATRIOT&quot; Act in exchange for voting for it, it could definitely be argued that he did more to protect the Bill of Rights than Paul and his &quot;no&quot; voted, which did absolutely nothing to protect the Bill of Rights.

I would have voted against USA-PA, but I would have had a hard time arguing that I was protecting the Bill of Rights by doing it.

The truth is that all of Dr. No&#039;s &quot;no&quot;s, collectively, haven&#039;t done much of anything for the country either way. He&#039;s a U.S. Congressman. They are virtually powerless by themselves, unless they play the party game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it&#8217;s true that Barr negotiated the sunshine clause into the &#8220;USA-PATRIOT&#8221; Act in exchange for voting for it, it could definitely be argued that he did more to protect the Bill of Rights than Paul and his &#8220;no&#8221; voted, which did absolutely nothing to protect the Bill of Rights.</p>
<p>I would have voted against USA-PA, but I would have had a hard time arguing that I was protecting the Bill of Rights by doing it.</p>
<p>The truth is that all of Dr. No&#8217;s &#8220;no&#8221;s, collectively, haven&#8217;t done much of anything for the country either way. He&#8217;s a U.S. Congressman. They are virtually powerless by themselves, unless they play the party game.</p>
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