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	<title>Comments on: Barr campaign/supporters working to knock other parties off the ballot?</title>
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		<title>By: paulie cannoli</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/09/barr-campaignsupporters-working-to-knock-other-parties-off-the-ballot/comment-page-1/#comment-11185</link>
		<dc:creator>paulie cannoli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 01:16:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom is exactly correct.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom is exactly correct.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas L. Knapp</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/09/barr-campaignsupporters-working-to-knock-other-parties-off-the-ballot/comment-page-1/#comment-11117</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas L. Knapp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 16:01:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard,

You&#039;re the expert on such matters, and I expect your prediction is accurate.

I also think that it will be a &lt;em&gt;good thing&lt;/em&gt; if Barr wins his ballot access suit in West Virgina. I like seeing ballot access barriers knocked down, and I&#039;m not particular about who does the knocking.

Ballot access litigation, lobbying, etc. are important activities. As a matter of fact, I think they&#039;re more important than Barr&#039;s political aspirations, or than any one particular election result for the Libertarian Party, any other third party, or any independent candidate. 

However ...

Presumably, many, maybe even most, of Bob Barr&#039;s contributors who weighed in prior to the West Virginia deadline wrote  checks on the supposition that they were contributing to a presidential campaign, not a ballot access litigation project. 

The ballot drive they were supporting did not fail due to a stated intention to blow the deadline and litigate. Quite the opposite. In the days leading up to the deadline, the campaign put out increasingly manic pleas calling for money, volunteers, etc. &lt;em&gt;to meet that deadline&lt;/em&gt;. The drive failed due to incompetent management, not to lack of desire to meet the deadline or to stated desire to litigate the deadline.

Regardless of any good results that may come from the litigation, Barr&#039;s contributors are reasonable to ask why their money was poorly spent the first time around in West Virginia, and whether this particular litigation really  improves the campaign&#039;s prospects (as opposed to the future prospects of other candidates, other parties, etc.).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard,</p>
<p>You&#8217;re the expert on such matters, and I expect your prediction is accurate.</p>
<p>I also think that it will be a <em>good thing</em> if Barr wins his ballot access suit in West Virgina. I like seeing ballot access barriers knocked down, and I&#8217;m not particular about who does the knocking.</p>
<p>Ballot access litigation, lobbying, etc. are important activities. As a matter of fact, I think they&#8217;re more important than Barr&#8217;s political aspirations, or than any one particular election result for the Libertarian Party, any other third party, or any independent candidate. </p>
<p>However &#8230;</p>
<p>Presumably, many, maybe even most, of Bob Barr&#8217;s contributors who weighed in prior to the West Virginia deadline wrote  checks on the supposition that they were contributing to a presidential campaign, not a ballot access litigation project. </p>
<p>The ballot drive they were supporting did not fail due to a stated intention to blow the deadline and litigate. Quite the opposite. In the days leading up to the deadline, the campaign put out increasingly manic pleas calling for money, volunteers, etc. <em>to meet that deadline</em>. The drive failed due to incompetent management, not to lack of desire to meet the deadline or to stated desire to litigate the deadline.</p>
<p>Regardless of any good results that may come from the litigation, Barr&#8217;s contributors are reasonable to ask why their money was poorly spent the first time around in West Virginia, and whether this particular litigation really  improves the campaign&#8217;s prospects (as opposed to the future prospects of other candidates, other parties, etc.).</p>
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		<title>By: richardwinger</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/09/barr-campaignsupporters-working-to-knock-other-parties-off-the-ballot/comment-page-1/#comment-11062</link>
		<dc:creator>richardwinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 00:57:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will go out on a limb here and predict that Barr will win his ballot access fight in West Virginia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will go out on a limb here and predict that Barr will win his ballot access fight in West Virginia.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas L. Knapp</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/09/barr-campaignsupporters-working-to-knock-other-parties-off-the-ballot/comment-page-1/#comment-11056</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas L. Knapp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 23:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve heard rumors about possible challenges to the BTP&#039;s Florida electors, but so far that&#039;s it ... rumors.

Thing is, I was hearing those rumors before the elector designations were actually turned in -- and I doubt that anyone who was thinking of blocking the BTP could have anticipated that it would field not only a full slate of 27 electors, but 19 alternates  to replace any electors who might be  successfully challenged as well.

I won&#039;t say that the BTP ticket in Florida is challenge-proof, but I think we&#039;re well prepared f0r such a fight.

If the rumors are true, and if the Barr campaign is involved, it will end up hurting Barr far more than it will help him. After blowing ballot access in West Virginia, Maine and possibly New Hampshire, he&#039;s presumably under at least some supporter/contributor pressure to stop fucking around and start running for president while there&#039;s still time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve heard rumors about possible challenges to the BTP&#8217;s Florida electors, but so far that&#8217;s it &#8230; rumors.</p>
<p>Thing is, I was hearing those rumors before the elector designations were actually turned in &#8212; and I doubt that anyone who was thinking of blocking the BTP could have anticipated that it would field not only a full slate of 27 electors, but 19 alternates  to replace any electors who might be  successfully challenged as well.</p>
<p>I won&#8217;t say that the BTP ticket in Florida is challenge-proof, but I think we&#8217;re well prepared f0r such a fight.</p>
<p>If the rumors are true, and if the Barr campaign is involved, it will end up hurting Barr far more than it will help him. After blowing ballot access in West Virginia, Maine and possibly New Hampshire, he&#8217;s presumably under at least some supporter/contributor pressure to stop fucking around and start running for president while there&#8217;s still time.</p>
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		<title>By: Spence</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 22:40:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Been through this debate thing already. And the consensus seems to be Barr wasn&#039;t very &quot;pragmatic&quot;, but blatantly hypocritical on this issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Been through this debate thing already. And the consensus seems to be Barr wasn&#8217;t very &#8220;pragmatic&#8221;, but blatantly hypocritical on this issue.</p>
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		<title>By: richardwinger</title>
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		<dc:creator>richardwinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 21:58:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, thanks for the link about Barr&#039;s Reason interview about debating other &quot;third party&quot; presidential candidates.  I read it carefully and he doesn&#039;t say he wouldn&#039;t debate Nader.  Nader is basically an independent candidate.  Nevertheless, Barr seems to imply that he wouldn&#039;t debate anyone but McCain and Obama, so that is disappointing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, thanks for the link about Barr&#8217;s Reason interview about debating other &#8220;third party&#8221; presidential candidates.  I read it carefully and he doesn&#8217;t say he wouldn&#8217;t debate Nader.  Nader is basically an independent candidate.  Nevertheless, Barr seems to imply that he wouldn&#8217;t debate anyone but McCain and Obama, so that is disappointing.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Theodore</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/09/barr-campaignsupporters-working-to-knock-other-parties-off-the-ballot/comment-page-1/#comment-11039</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Theodore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 21:49:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Every time I think of a third party debate, I think of the earlier GOP debates (the ones with Alan Keyes). All the candidates lined up on a stage with dim lighting in a small auditorium.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every time I think of a third party debate, I think of the earlier GOP debates (the ones with Alan Keyes). All the candidates lined up on a stage with dim lighting in a small auditorium.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Gillis</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/09/barr-campaignsupporters-working-to-knock-other-parties-off-the-ballot/comment-page-1/#comment-11035</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Gillis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 21:09:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can understand not wanting to participate in any debate that doesn&#039;t include at least one of the two major party candidates.

Any other &quot;kid&#039;s table&quot; debate only serves to make a candidate look small and will get zero press coverage and only third party folks already on board will watch it.

And Barr, outside of mostly Zogby run polls, usually trails Nader in most polls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can understand not wanting to participate in any debate that doesn&#8217;t include at least one of the two major party candidates.</p>
<p>Any other &#8220;kid&#8217;s table&#8221; debate only serves to make a candidate look small and will get zero press coverage and only third party folks already on board will watch it.</p>
<p>And Barr, outside of mostly Zogby run polls, usually trails Nader in most polls.</p>
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		<title>By: Ross Levin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ross Levin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 20:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard - 
http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/08/barr-wont-debate-other-third-party-candidates/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard &#8211;<br />
<a href="http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/08/barr-wont-debate-other-third-party-candidates/" rel="nofollow">http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/08/barr-wont-debate-other-third-party-candidates/</a></p>
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		<title>By: George Phillies</title>
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		<dc:creator>George Phillies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 19:43:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are persistent rumors of a New Hampshire lawsuit, which I anticipate will be extensively litigated.  My late grandfather, whatever his other failings as an attorney, always said that the highest moments of his life were the two occasions on which he argued before the Supreme Court of the United States.  Mindful of his advice, if we get there I will not be trying to appear without a real attorney.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are persistent rumors of a New Hampshire lawsuit, which I anticipate will be extensively litigated.  My late grandfather, whatever his other failings as an attorney, always said that the highest moments of his life were the two occasions on which he argued before the Supreme Court of the United States.  Mindful of his advice, if we get there I will not be trying to appear without a real attorney.</p>
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		<title>By: richardwinger</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/09/barr-campaignsupporters-working-to-knock-other-parties-off-the-ballot/comment-page-1/#comment-11030</link>
		<dc:creator>richardwinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 19:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hadn&#039;t heard that Barr had said he wouldn&#039;t debate Nader.  When did he say it, and whom did he say it to?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hadn&#8217;t heard that Barr had said he wouldn&#8217;t debate Nader.  When did he say it, and whom did he say it to?</p>
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		<title>By: Ross Levin</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/09/barr-campaignsupporters-working-to-knock-other-parties-off-the-ballot/comment-page-1/#comment-11028</link>
		<dc:creator>Ross Levin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 19:02:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barr&#039;s also mentioned that he wouldn&#039;t debate Nader, or any other third party candidate.  Now, I don&#039;t want to be immature, but a lot of us Gravel supporters said this sort of thing would happen before Barr was nominated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barr&#8217;s also mentioned that he wouldn&#8217;t debate Nader, or any other third party candidate.  Now, I don&#8217;t want to be immature, but a lot of us Gravel supporters said this sort of thing would happen before Barr was nominated.</p>
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		<title>By: Spence</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 17:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>-.- Not if they&#039;re big bad Barr party members.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>-.- Not if they&#8217;re big bad Barr party members.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Gillis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Gillis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 17:19:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really hope this isn&#039;t true. The last thing that third party activists should ever do is try to deny each other&#039;s right to appear on a ballot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really hope this isn&#8217;t true. The last thing that third party activists should ever do is try to deny each other&#8217;s right to appear on a ballot.</p>
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