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	<title>Comments on: Cockburn: &#8216;if you want to stay true to reason and  conscience, the man to vote for is  Bob Barr&#8217;</title>
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		<title>By: pdsa</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/08/cockburn-if-you-want-to-stay-true-to-reason-and-conscience-the-man-to-vote-for-is-bob-barr/comment-page-1/#comment-10653</link>
		<dc:creator>pdsa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:05:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fred: offhand, that headline would cause me to believe that Barr was hanging out with his  friends again,  who like to pass around antique sidearms with chambered rounds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fred: offhand, that headline would cause me to believe that Barr was hanging out with his  friends again,  who like to pass around antique sidearms with chambered rounds.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Church Ortiz</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/08/cockburn-if-you-want-to-stay-true-to-reason-and-conscience-the-man-to-vote-for-is-bob-barr/comment-page-1/#comment-10652</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred Church Ortiz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 14:01:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>pdsa: It&#039;s hard for me too.  Given the timing that the CounterPunch piece was referred to us, this article came dangerously close to being entitled &quot;Bob Barr&#039;s late-night Cockburn surprise.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pdsa: It&#8217;s hard for me too.  Given the timing that the CounterPunch piece was referred to us, this article came dangerously close to being entitled &#8220;Bob Barr&#8217;s late-night Cockburn surprise.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: pdsa</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/08/cockburn-if-you-want-to-stay-true-to-reason-and-conscience-the-man-to-vote-for-is-bob-barr/comment-page-1/#comment-10651</link>
		<dc:creator>pdsa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 10:29:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is wrong to categorise politics along a linear scale of left/right. This distorted condensation serves nothing but the existing two-party system. A dialectical tool for propagandising use. Even the two axis planar scalars used to represent political views (ie the Nolan Chart, for one) are still too distorted for any real use in honest analysis.

Cockburn has always been a &quot;leftist&quot;, but at the same time has never shown himself to be a supporter of rampant authoritarianism.  Counterpunch has praised Bob Barr in the past, and they have criticised him also.  This &lt;a href=&quot;http://tinyurl.com/63s6t6&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Google Search&lt;/a&gt; may offer illumination.

Lastly, a note to Fred Church Ortiz: Fred, I&#039;m an old-school troll, please refrain from offering up blatant targets of opportunity: &lt;i&gt;&quot;Cockburn has a pair&quot;&lt;/i&gt;. I&#039;m just a human, and can resist temptation only so far. I once attempted to reference a Cockburn article posting a response at Media Matters For America, and it kept getting refused by their ridiculous censoring software. It took me almost 1/2 hr to realise the offending term was the author&#039;s name...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is wrong to categorise politics along a linear scale of left/right. This distorted condensation serves nothing but the existing two-party system. A dialectical tool for propagandising use. Even the two axis planar scalars used to represent political views (ie the Nolan Chart, for one) are still too distorted for any real use in honest analysis.</p>
<p>Cockburn has always been a &#8220;leftist&#8221;, but at the same time has never shown himself to be a supporter of rampant authoritarianism.  Counterpunch has praised Bob Barr in the past, and they have criticised him also.  This <a href="http://tinyurl.com/63s6t6" rel="nofollow">Google Search</a> may offer illumination.</p>
<p>Lastly, a note to Fred Church Ortiz: Fred, I&#8217;m an old-school troll, please refrain from offering up blatant targets of opportunity: <i>&#8220;Cockburn has a pair&#8221;</i>. I&#8217;m just a human, and can resist temptation only so far. I once attempted to reference a Cockburn article posting a response at Media Matters For America, and it kept getting refused by their ridiculous censoring software. It took me almost 1/2 hr to realise the offending term was the author&#8217;s name&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dylan Waco</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/08/cockburn-if-you-want-to-stay-true-to-reason-and-conscience-the-man-to-vote-for-is-bob-barr/comment-page-1/#comment-10647</link>
		<dc:creator>Dylan Waco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 07:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Counterpunch is one of the best sites on the net regardless of your political persuasion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Counterpunch is one of the best sites on the net regardless of your political persuasion.</p>
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		<title>By: Nexus</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/08/cockburn-if-you-want-to-stay-true-to-reason-and-conscience-the-man-to-vote-for-is-bob-barr/comment-page-1/#comment-10628</link>
		<dc:creator>Nexus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 04:00:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Deran...you could always write in Milnes...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deran&#8230;you could always write in Milnes&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Gene Trosper</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/08/cockburn-if-you-want-to-stay-true-to-reason-and-conscience-the-man-to-vote-for-is-bob-barr/comment-page-1/#comment-10604</link>
		<dc:creator>Gene Trosper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:18:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, it&#039;s quite the opposite of hilarious, G.E.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, it&#8217;s quite the opposite of hilarious, G.E.</p>
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		<title>By: G.E.</title>
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		<dc:creator>G.E.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 19:12:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hilarious that Deran thinks that laissez-faire and neoliberalism are synonymous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hilarious that Deran thinks that laissez-faire and neoliberalism are synonymous.</p>
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		<title>By: Deran</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/08/cockburn-if-you-want-to-stay-true-to-reason-and-conscience-the-man-to-vote-for-is-bob-barr/comment-page-1/#comment-10598</link>
		<dc:creator>Deran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 19:07:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And lastly (for this thread!), I&#039;d like to humbly suggest that in the blogroll, you add CounterPunch, it&#039;s not exactly a blog; but CP isn&#039;t exactly a blog, but it&#039;s as close as the indie Left in the US gets, and while your at it:

http://www.dissidentvoice.org/

I like DV because they allow comments, which CP does not.

and here is this actual existing socialist in the US blog

http://socnet.net/blogs/doumakes/

Any or all of these (CP and DV seem the more serious, more thurough choices) would go well toward filling out IPR&#039;s blog roll! Just a suggstion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And lastly (for this thread!), I&#8217;d like to humbly suggest that in the blogroll, you add CounterPunch, it&#8217;s not exactly a blog; but CP isn&#8217;t exactly a blog, but it&#8217;s as close as the indie Left in the US gets, and while your at it:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dissidentvoice.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.dissidentvoice.org/</a></p>
<p>I like DV because they allow comments, which CP does not.</p>
<p>and here is this actual existing socialist in the US blog</p>
<p><a href="http://socnet.net/blogs/doumakes/" rel="nofollow">http://socnet.net/blogs/doumakes/</a></p>
<p>Any or all of these (CP and DV seem the more serious, more thurough choices) would go well toward filling out IPR&#8217;s blog roll! Just a suggstion.</p>
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		<title>By: Deran</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/08/cockburn-if-you-want-to-stay-true-to-reason-and-conscience-the-man-to-vote-for-is-bob-barr/comment-page-1/#comment-10595</link>
		<dc:creator>Deran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:39:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I&#039;d also like to suggest that if you&#039;re going to read CounterPunch for the Barr articles, CP is also great for critiques of &quot;laisse faire&quot;/Neo-Liberal economics!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I&#8217;d also like to suggest that if you&#8217;re going to read CounterPunch for the Barr articles, CP is also great for critiques of &#8220;laisse faire&#8221;/Neo-Liberal economics!</p>
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		<title>By: Deran</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/08/cockburn-if-you-want-to-stay-true-to-reason-and-conscience-the-man-to-vote-for-is-bob-barr/comment-page-1/#comment-10593</link>
		<dc:creator>Deran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:37:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leftists for Barr. It&#039;s not out of the question. If Nader and McKinney hadn&#039;t made the WA State ballot, I was thinking either Barr or Gracie Allen. But then, I&#039;d vote a yellow dog, before I&#039;d vote for a Democrat or Republican!

The thing abt this Nader campaign, like I&#039;ve said before; had he had his shit together to do this in &#039;96, we&#039;d be in a whole different world. Now, it all seems a bit late in the game. 

And, had McKinney not done a Perot, and dropped out last September, and then come back in, she would have a hell of a lot more momentum then she does now. 

And the Barr campaign, not really doing as was hoped.

I think Barr and McKinney (and Nader in &#039;00) are good examples of the perils of people sympathetic to, but not active in, a political party being then nominated by a party that hopes to make use of their cleberity to build the party; hasn&#039;t worked out so well. Better had these folks built a new party, or run as a coalition (no not the much vaunted, and much dreaded, &quot;Progressive Alliance&quot;.) candidate.

Again, this also seems to me a good reason to get people elected from with in the party to local and then congressial seats. Of course, that&#039;s who Matt Gonzalez was supposed to be for the Greens?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leftists for Barr. It&#8217;s not out of the question. If Nader and McKinney hadn&#8217;t made the WA State ballot, I was thinking either Barr or Gracie Allen. But then, I&#8217;d vote a yellow dog, before I&#8217;d vote for a Democrat or Republican!</p>
<p>The thing abt this Nader campaign, like I&#8217;ve said before; had he had his shit together to do this in &#8217;96, we&#8217;d be in a whole different world. Now, it all seems a bit late in the game. </p>
<p>And, had McKinney not done a Perot, and dropped out last September, and then come back in, she would have a hell of a lot more momentum then she does now. </p>
<p>And the Barr campaign, not really doing as was hoped.</p>
<p>I think Barr and McKinney (and Nader in &#8217;00) are good examples of the perils of people sympathetic to, but not active in, a political party being then nominated by a party that hopes to make use of their cleberity to build the party; hasn&#8217;t worked out so well. Better had these folks built a new party, or run as a coalition (no not the much vaunted, and much dreaded, &#8220;Progressive Alliance&#8221;.) candidate.</p>
<p>Again, this also seems to me a good reason to get people elected from with in the party to local and then congressial seats. Of course, that&#8217;s who Matt Gonzalez was supposed to be for the Greens?</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Church Ortiz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred Church Ortiz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: my earlier &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/08/lp-criticizes-bidens-opposition-to-making-english-national-language/#comment-10411&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;comment&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Why did Obama chose Biden? One important constituency pressing for Biden was no doubt the Israel lobby inside the Democratic Party. Obama, no matter how fervent his proclamations of support for Israel, has always been viewed with some suspicion by the lobby. For half the lifespan of the state of Israel, Biden has proved himself its unswerving acolyte in the senate.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Cockburn has a pair.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: my earlier <a href="http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/08/lp-criticizes-bidens-opposition-to-making-english-national-language/#comment-10411" rel="nofollow">comment</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Why did Obama chose Biden? One important constituency pressing for Biden was no doubt the Israel lobby inside the Democratic Party. Obama, no matter how fervent his proclamations of support for Israel, has always been viewed with some suspicion by the lobby. For half the lifespan of the state of Israel, Biden has proved himself its unswerving acolyte in the senate.</p></blockquote>
<p>Cockburn has a pair.</p>
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		<title>By: Spence</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 09:29:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Completely ignores the whole point- that was WHY Biden was selected.</description>
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