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	<title>Comments on: American Independent Party wants McCain off California ballot</title>
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		<title>By: scottwww</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/08/american-independent-party-wants-mccain-off-california-ballot/comment-page-1/#comment-14802</link>
		<dc:creator>scottwww</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 05:07:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The account of McCain&#039;s birth being in Coco Solo is a fabrication.  This was popularized by the McCain legal defense team.  The fabrication is that he was born in the Coco Solo hospital at the Naval Air Station.  However, no hospital existed at Coco Solo until one was built five years after McCain&#039;s birth.  Although some people speculated that he must have been born at Colon, the fact of the location of his birth didn&#039;t come out until his birth certificate was produced for the U.S. Circuit Court in New Hampshire in late July 2008.  This is still not widely known.
 
Also, his parents did not live on base.  They lived in Colon, Republic of Panama.  Colon was not part of the Canal Zone in 1936.
 
There is a good deal of information available at http://PanamaJohn.dominates.us including McCain&#039;s birth certificate with affidavit, and more.
 
http://panamajohn.dominates.us/articles/McCain_Certificate_1_1936x2.gif</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The account of McCain&#8217;s birth being in Coco Solo is a fabrication.  This was popularized by the McCain legal defense team.  The fabrication is that he was born in the Coco Solo hospital at the Naval Air Station.  However, no hospital existed at Coco Solo until one was built five years after McCain&#8217;s birth.  Although some people speculated that he must have been born at Colon, the fact of the location of his birth didn&#8217;t come out until his birth certificate was produced for the U.S. Circuit Court in New Hampshire in late July 2008.  This is still not widely known.</p>
<p>Also, his parents did not live on base.  They lived in Colon, Republic of Panama.  Colon was not part of the Canal Zone in 1936.</p>
<p>There is a good deal of information available at <a href="http://PanamaJohn.dominates.us" rel="nofollow">http://PanamaJohn.dominates.us</a> including McCain&#8217;s birth certificate with affidavit, and more.</p>
<p><a href="http://panamajohn.dominates.us/articles/McCain_Certificate_1_1936x2.gif" rel="nofollow">http://panamajohn.dominates.us/articles/McCain_Certificate_1_1936x2.gif</a></p>
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		<title>By: randallthayes</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/08/american-independent-party-wants-mccain-off-california-ballot/comment-page-1/#comment-10574</link>
		<dc:creator>randallthayes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:36:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A press release about Berg&#039;s lawsuit and copies of court documents related to the case can be found here:

http://obamacrimes.com/index.php/component/content/article/1-main/1-philip-j-berg-esq-files-federal-lawsuit-requesting-obama-be-removed-as-a-candidate-as-he-does-not-meet-the-qualifications-for-president</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A press release about Berg&#8217;s lawsuit and copies of court documents related to the case can be found here:</p>
<p><a href="http://obamacrimes.com/index.php/component/content/article/1-main/1-philip-j-berg-esq-files-federal-lawsuit-requesting-obama-be-removed-as-a-candidate-as-he-does-not-meet-the-qualifications-for-president" rel="nofollow">http://obamacrimes.com/index.php/component/content/article/1-main/1-philip-j-berg-esq-files-federal-lawsuit-requesting-obama-be-removed-as-a-candidate-as-he-does-not-meet-the-qualifications-for-president</a></p>
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		<title>By: Spence</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/08/american-independent-party-wants-mccain-off-california-ballot/comment-page-1/#comment-10571</link>
		<dc:creator>Spence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 09:56:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correct, Brandon. His name is Philip J. Berg. He was on Coast2Coast on last week&#039;s Friday broadcast with Ian. He got grilled pretty good for not having all his proofs and not being able to reference sources that he will use in his case, yet he seems sincere.

I wouldn&#039;t put it past our &#039;shadowy overlords&#039; to flip the bird at us and show us how feeble our laws are by running two completely ineligible candidates, so if it ever turned out to be true ... =/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correct, Brandon. His name is Philip J. Berg. He was on Coast2Coast on last week&#8217;s Friday broadcast with Ian. He got grilled pretty good for not having all his proofs and not being able to reference sources that he will use in his case, yet he seems sincere.</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t put it past our &#8216;shadowy overlords&#8217; to flip the bird at us and show us how feeble our laws are by running two completely ineligible candidates, so if it ever turned out to be true &#8230; =/</p>
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		<title>By: G.E.</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/08/american-independent-party-wants-mccain-off-california-ballot/comment-page-1/#comment-10422</link>
		<dc:creator>G.E.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 23:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>McCain is constitutionally ineligible to be president. But saying something is &quot;unconstitutional&quot; IS viewed as &quot;nutjobbery&quot; by the Power Elite and the sheople who cower before them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>McCain is constitutionally ineligible to be president. But saying something is &#8220;unconstitutional&#8221; IS viewed as &#8220;nutjobbery&#8221; by the Power Elite and the sheople who cower before them.</p>
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		<title>By: G.E.</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/08/american-independent-party-wants-mccain-off-california-ballot/comment-page-1/#comment-10421</link>
		<dc:creator>G.E.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 23:01:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Nutjobbery?&quot;

Do you think it was the Original Intent that army brats born outside of the several states -- as foreign occupiers -- would be eligible for president?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Nutjobbery?&#8221;</p>
<p>Do you think it was the Original Intent that army brats born outside of the several states &#8212; as foreign occupiers &#8212; would be eligible for president?</p>
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		<title>By: johncjackson</title>
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		<dc:creator>johncjackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 22:52:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is desperate low-blow nutjobbery and one of the things that a lot of Ron Paul &quot;supporters&quot;  argued that really turned me off.

There are a lot of real reasons for libertarians and conservatives to oppose McCain but a lot of people seem focused on only the most bizarre and desperate ploys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is desperate low-blow nutjobbery and one of the things that a lot of Ron Paul &#8220;supporters&#8221;  argued that really turned me off.</p>
<p>There are a lot of real reasons for libertarians and conservatives to oppose McCain but a lot of people seem focused on only the most bizarre and desperate ploys.</p>
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		<title>By: randallthayes</title>
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		<dc:creator>randallthayes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 19:31:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t see anything in the 14th Amendment that says that a person born outside the United States to U.S. parents is a &quot;natural born citizen.&quot;

I don&#039;t think there&#039;s any real doubt that McCain is a citizen, but there is doubt as to whether he is a &quot;natural born&quot; one.

I&#039;ve read the arguments made against Obama&#039;s &quot;natural born citizen&quot; status.  They are VERY weak and based on incorrect data.

It&#039;s extremely unlikely, though, that either of them would be ruled ineligible.  Courts would try very hard to find an argument against doing so.  Even in McCain&#039;s case, there are reasonable arguments that he is a &quot;natural born citizen.&quot;

As someone who supports open ballot access, I would prefer that candidates never be disqualified due to qualities over which they had no control (e.g., their places of birth).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see anything in the 14th Amendment that says that a person born outside the United States to U.S. parents is a &#8220;natural born citizen.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s any real doubt that McCain is a citizen, but there is doubt as to whether he is a &#8220;natural born&#8221; one.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve read the arguments made against Obama&#8217;s &#8220;natural born citizen&#8221; status.  They are VERY weak and based on incorrect data.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s extremely unlikely, though, that either of them would be ruled ineligible.  Courts would try very hard to find an argument against doing so.  Even in McCain&#8217;s case, there are reasonable arguments that he is a &#8220;natural born citizen.&#8221;</p>
<p>As someone who supports open ballot access, I would prefer that candidates never be disqualified due to qualities over which they had no control (e.g., their places of birth).</p>
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		<title>By: G.E.</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/08/american-independent-party-wants-mccain-off-california-ballot/comment-page-1/#comment-10406</link>
		<dc:creator>G.E.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 18:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>eerrrr... the 14th amendment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>eerrrr&#8230; the 14th amendment.</p>
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		<title>By: Brandon H.</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/08/american-independent-party-wants-mccain-off-california-ballot/comment-page-1/#comment-10403</link>
		<dc:creator>Brandon H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 17:44:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just read someone filed a lawsuit against Obama as well. While I think both Republicrats are safe as far as citizenship goes, I would love to see both of them ruled ineligible for the Presidency.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just read someone filed a lawsuit against Obama as well. While I think both Republicrats are safe as far as citizenship goes, I would love to see both of them ruled ineligible for the Presidency.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas M. Sipos</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/08/american-independent-party-wants-mccain-off-california-ballot/comment-page-1/#comment-10402</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas M. Sipos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 17:31:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But what of the 14th Amendment&#039;s &quot;Citizenship clause&quot;?

&quot;All persons born or naturalized in the United States &lt;i&gt;and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States &lt;/i&gt; and of the State wherein they reside.&quot;

According to: http://supreme.justia.com/constitution/amendment-14/03-citizens-of-the-united-states.html , this means, among other things: 

&quot;The requirement that a person be &lt;i&gt;&#039;subject to the jurisdiction thereof,&#039;&lt;/i&gt; however, excludes its application to children born of diplomatic representatives of a foreign state, children born of alien enemies in hostile occupation, or children of members of Indian tribes subject to tribal laws. In addition, &lt;i&gt;the citizenship of children born on vessels in United States territorial waters or on the high seas has generally been held by the lower courts to be determined by the citizenship of the parents.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

I would think that being born to U.S. parents would place McCain as having been born under U.S. jurisdiction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But what of the 14th Amendment&#8217;s &#8220;Citizenship clause&#8221;?</p>
<p>&#8220;All persons born or naturalized in the United States <i>and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States </i> and of the State wherein they reside.&#8221;</p>
<p>According to: <a href="http://supreme.justia.com/constitution/amendment-14/03-citizens-of-the-united-states.html" rel="nofollow">http://supreme.justia.com/constitution/amendment-14/03-citizens-of-the-united-states.html</a> , this means, among other things: </p>
<p>&#8220;The requirement that a person be <i>&#8216;subject to the jurisdiction thereof,&#8217;</i> however, excludes its application to children born of diplomatic representatives of a foreign state, children born of alien enemies in hostile occupation, or children of members of Indian tribes subject to tribal laws. In addition, <i>the citizenship of children born on vessels in United States territorial waters or on the high seas has generally been held by the lower courts to be determined by the citizenship of the parents.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>I would think that being born to U.S. parents would place McCain as having been born under U.S. jurisdiction.</p>
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		<title>By: Lussenheide</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/08/american-independent-party-wants-mccain-off-california-ballot/comment-page-1/#comment-10392</link>
		<dc:creator>Lussenheide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 14:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chairman Jim King, and the legitimate AIP does not endorse, nor sanction this position, or lawsuit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chairman Jim King, and the legitimate AIP does not endorse, nor sanction this position, or lawsuit.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven R Linnabary</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/08/american-independent-party-wants-mccain-off-california-ballot/comment-page-1/#comment-10391</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven R Linnabary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 13:35:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recall that George Romney (Mitt Romney&#039;s father) was forced out of the &#039;68 race because of his Mexican birth.  

Or maybe it was low poll numbers.

To be really facetious, one could say that â€œnatural born citizenâ€ might refer to someone that was NOT born caesarean.

PEACE
Steve</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recall that George Romney (Mitt Romney&#8217;s father) was forced out of the &#8217;68 race because of his Mexican birth.  </p>
<p>Or maybe it was low poll numbers.</p>
<p>To be really facetious, one could say that â€œnatural born citizenâ€ might refer to someone that was NOT born caesarean.</p>
<p>PEACE<br />
Steve</p>
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		<title>By: randallthayes</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/08/american-independent-party-wants-mccain-off-california-ballot/comment-page-1/#comment-10367</link>
		<dc:creator>randallthayes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 05:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not think that the U.S. Constitution says anything about being born under U.S. &quot;jurisdiction.&quot;

It says:

&quot;No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.&quot;

The legal question is whether McCain&#039;s foreign birth makes him not a &quot;natural born citizen.&quot;

There is a good argument to be made that it does.  The law is just not settled on that point.

Besides the usual counter-arguments, though, there is another one in this case:

The November election is for the choosing of presidential electors, not the president.  Even if the Electoral College would be prohibited from electing McCain, that would not mean that California voters were prohibited from considering a McCain slate of electors (unless there is a state law that denies ballot access to a slate associated with a candidate who is not constitutionally eligible to be president).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not think that the U.S. Constitution says anything about being born under U.S. &#8220;jurisdiction.&#8221;</p>
<p>It says:</p>
<p>&#8220;No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.&#8221;</p>
<p>The legal question is whether McCain&#8217;s foreign birth makes him not a &#8220;natural born citizen.&#8221;</p>
<p>There is a good argument to be made that it does.  The law is just not settled on that point.</p>
<p>Besides the usual counter-arguments, though, there is another one in this case:</p>
<p>The November election is for the choosing of presidential electors, not the president.  Even if the Electoral College would be prohibited from electing McCain, that would not mean that California voters were prohibited from considering a McCain slate of electors (unless there is a state law that denies ballot access to a slate associated with a candidate who is not constitutionally eligible to be president).</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas M. Sipos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas M. Sipos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 04:51:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s nonsense.  The Constitution requires that a person be born under U.S. &quot;jurisdiction,&quot; not on U.S. soil.

If Americans in France or Russia give birth to a kid, that kid is born under U.S. &quot;jurisdiction.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s nonsense.  The Constitution requires that a person be born under U.S. &#8220;jurisdiction,&#8221; not on U.S. soil.</p>
<p>If Americans in France or Russia give birth to a kid, that kid is born under U.S. &#8220;jurisdiction.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: richardwinger</title>
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		<dc:creator>richardwinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 04:30:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The case was filed by Markham Robinson, not the American Independent Party.  Robinson is with the faction of the California AIP that supports Alan Keyes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The case was filed by Markham Robinson, not the American Independent Party.  Robinson is with the faction of the California AIP that supports Alan Keyes.</p>
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