Not necessarily explaining it to you, since we’ve talked about it before and I know you know it. Others reading, I hope.

Have you ever thought as much re: Barr and “drugs”?
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I don’t think George Wallace was personally racist – although for a period of his career he played a very convincing, vociferous racist in public.

Yes. I have no way to know one way or the other, since he evades many clarifying questions, and since I lack any way of knowing whether he was sincere then, is sincere now, both or neither.

If I did, I was lying or confused,haha.

I do like Buchanan, but not more than Baldwin. Buchanan was far too concerned about the “culture war” while avoiding the subject of the Fed, sound money,and such.

Point: There have been no really good candidates to get 1million+ votes.

You said earlier that Buchanan was better than Baldwin. Why?

They are all terrible choices, what do you want from me?

How bout this. Buchanan.

DONE. End of discussion. lol. There were only 5-6 candidates in the category I outlined and I enumerated them as best I can. But everyone beneath Buchanan, I would not vote for.

He had children out of wedlock, one of whom his baby-mamma tried to castrate. Wow.

His daughter became a statutory rapist.

His sons went on to be neocons in the Reagan and Bush administrations and Blackwater.

Also, after reviewing Wallace’s history, he is worse than I thought. He was a liberal racist who only supported “states rights” when it helped the racist cause. He advocated bigger Social Security payments, for example. What a bum. I was positively influenced in his direction by Ain’t My America…

How can you favor Bryan so highly and not McGovern? I think McGovern was better than Bryan because Bryan was more overtly socialist. Bryan’s historical impact, even if he gave voters an anti-imperialist choice vs. McKinely, was devasting, as he helped convert the Democratic Party from laissez-faire to big government. It is Bryan, after all, he opposed the gold standard when it wasn’t a dream but reality!

See this link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Democratic_Party_%28United_States%29

You needn’t explain George Wallace’s history to me, I know it quite well. He wasn’t a racist, and certainly wasn’t after the mid-70′s. Even while claiming to be a “stuanch negro hater!” he was appointing black Judges in Alabama,a first in 1968.
As for Schmitz–Im going to admit a mistake. I thought he had revoked his racist tendencies as early as the mid-seventies, when George Wallace did. His involvement in the Institute for Historial Review makes me sick–so im bringing him to 5th,bumping George Wallace to third and Bryan to 2nd,with Buchanan still firmly in 1st.

I do appreciate your education on Schmitz though. His advocacy of smaller government, the10th amendment, constitutional originalism overshadowed his racism,which was a product of his time. But by the 1980s, anyone who was a racist–was that way because of hatred or ignorance (most likely both).

PEACE
Steve

Goldwater’s ’64 campaign was the first presidential election I took and independent interest in. Goldwater was misportrayed and brutalised by both the NE Republicans and one of the two dim-witted Texas Presidents of my lifetime. He went after Casey’s hide when he discovered what he’d been doing a CIA chief for Reagan. One of his reflections about Reagan seems appropriate in hindsight:

I believe Reagan did know of the diversion of Iranian funds to the Contras. He had to know. The White House explanation makes him out to be either a liar or incompetent.”

In the end, Lawrence Walsh went for the incompetent though…

In the next few days I am doing some perusing through the local Federal Depository library for some research data. I am also planning to pick up some more Goldwater speeches while there. The library’s Congressional Records go back to the early 70′s, I believe. Are you interested in anything specific that I can look for while there?

Do I need to pull up the collectivist rants of Eugene McCarthy?

No. I don’t recall saying E. McCarthy wasn’t a collectivist, but I do recall you saying (Schmitz) “didnt have as many racist leanings as George Wallace.” In point of fact, I don’t think George Wallace was personally racist – although for a period of his career he played a very convincing, vociferous racist in public.

Basically, what happened was that he lost a political race to a candidate backed by the KKK due to his then liberal views on race. This was a traumatic event for him and he vowed to “never get outniggered again.” The next time he came back with a bunch of vicious race-baiting and won. However, it’s also worth noting that he ended his career as he started it, as a liberal. And, although this is an oft-parodied cliche, some of his best friends were indeed black.

Schmitz, on the other hand, I am more inclined to believe was genuinely personally bigoted.

I will play devil’s advocate for a moment though. What is worse, being involved in IHR or causing your own holocaust? (via Neocons). Im begging the question, obviously, of wether John G. Schmitz was worse, or George Bush.

In terms of what he actually did, certainly Bush was worse. That in no way says anything about what Schmitz may have done had he actually gotten elected POTUS. He seems to have had the motive to do as much or more damage than Bush – he just lacked the opportunity.

Do I need to pull up the collectivist rants of Eugene McCarthy? Or the race-baiting of George Wallace? No. I didnt excuse ANY of Schmitz’s positions. Especially the IHR crap pisses me off–as often Constitutionalists and even Libertarians get caught up in such slanderous crap.

But im getting off target. My point wasnt to say that ANY of them was my ideal choice, although Pat Buchanan comes pretty damned close. If any of them were running against Baldwin/Barr/McCain/Obama/McKinney/Nader this year, I’d choose Buchanan. If Buchanan werent on the list, I’d vote for Baldwin still. The others are not appealing as first votes, but I was rating them.

I will play devil’s advocate for a moment though. What is worse, being involved in IHR or causing your own holocaust? (via Neocons). Im begging the question, obviously, of wether John G. Schmitz was worse, or George Bush.

SoCal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Schmitz

…was expelled from the John Birch Society for “extremism”.

…He opposed sex education in public schools, …..He was also very critical of the civil unrest that characterized the mid-1960s. He called the Watts riots of 1965 “a Communist operation,” and believed that state universities should be sold to private corporations as a curb against student protests. Some of his remarks had anti-Semitic overtones.

….Schmitz won back his state senate seat in 1978. He was named chairman of the Constitutional Amendments Committee. However, his behavior became increasingly erratic. For instance, soon after his election, he advocated a military coup similar to that of Augusto Pinochet in Chile.

In 1981, he chaired a committee hearing on abortion, which led to the issuance in his name of a press release headlined “Senator Schmitz and His Committee Survive Attack of the Bulldykes”. It referred to his audience at the hearings as having “hard, Jewish, and arguably female faces.” Feminist attorney Gloria Allred, who testified before the committee, sued Schmitz for $10 million, but settled for $20,000 and an apology. Schmitz’s “apology” read, in part, “I have never considered her to be… slick, butch lawyeress”.

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v19/v19n6p28_schmitz.html

“John Schmitz, RIP
Mark Weber

A good friend of the Institute for Historical Review, John Schmitz, has died. The former US Congressman, Marine Corps officer and political science teacher is remembered with respect by both friend and foe alike as an articulate, witty and fervent champion of his conservative principles.

He died of cancer on January 10, 2001, at the National Naval Medical Center in Bethesda, Maryland, surrounded by his family. He was 70. His body was laid to rest with military honors at Arlington National Cemetery.

Schmitz attended at least two IHR Conferences, and was a subscriber for many years to the IHR’s Journal of Historical Review. From time to time bought extra copies to give away to friends.

He provided crucial help to the Institute during the difficult Ninth IHR Conference in February 1989. A day before the meeting was set to begin, the southern California hotel where it was to be held cancelled the contract, caving in to threats and intimidation by the Jewish Defense League (JDL). Another hotel was quickly found, but it too succumbed to JDL intimidation. Following the two cancellations, and with no alternative hotel willing to stand up to JDL threats, the speakers and attendees who were arriving from across the country and abroad had no place to meet. It seemed that the Conference might be cancelled just as it was to begin. In this emergency, Schmitz contacted Joe Bischof, a friend who owned the Old World shopping center in nearby Huntington Beach. Bischof graciously offered his facilities, and the Ninth IHR Conference — one of the most spirited ever — was held in a packed basement meeting room, in spite of continued harassment by JDL thugs.

Also in 1989, when the IHR suddenly needed a lawyer to replace one who had abruptly quit, it was Schmitz who recommended his friend, Bill Hulsy, who ever since has served as the IHR’s main corporate attorney. (Bill Hulsy and his wife, Karen, had been long-time friends of the Schmitz’s, who were god-parents of the Hulsys’ daughter.)”

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Need more?

Why?

The two aren’t necessarily in conflict.

See

http://realchange.org/buchanan.htm

Nah, he’d never say that.

Taft was a serious contender, Buffet was a congressman from Nebraska, HL Mencken, Albert Jay Nock, Senator James A. Reed, Rep. Hamilton Fish III, the America First Committee.

We’ve fallen along way. All there is is Ron Paul.
With some background noise made by a few former congressmen and a few current congressmen who wish they were as good.

Bob Barr is for the latter and not the former.

John G. Schmitz was better than Bryan. Anti-war, Old Right-style conservative aligned with the John Birch Society. Being from North California, he didnt have as many racist leanings as George Wallace. He understood Sound Money and War–my main two issues.

Trent – I don’t know about John G. Schmidtz. I think George Wallace is probably one of the best candidates to win electoral votes, despite my very strong opposition to him on several important issues.

Although was much too far to the left, I would through Robert LaFollette on that list, too. He won the approval of Rothbard.

Think how much ground we have lost, though, Trent. Robert Taft was a serious contender for the presidency more than once. He was no Ron Paul (or H.H. Buffett), but imagine how different the world would have been if Taft had been elected in 1948 or even ’52.

How much do you want to bet that Red originally said “that’s mighty White of you,” and then thought better of it?