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	<title>Comments on: Newsom&#8217;s girlfriend registers with the AIP</title>
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		<title>By: Trent Hill</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/07/newsoms-girlfriend-accidentally-registers-with-the-aip/comment-page-1/#comment-4430</link>
		<dc:creator>Trent Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 01:43:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My theory, expounded above, would explain why the AIP still gets 70k+ votes for Senate and Governor, but also fits with you and Andy&#039;s personal stories about registering thousands of voters and VERY few of them having MEANT to register into the AIP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My theory, expounded above, would explain why the AIP still gets 70k+ votes for Senate and Governor, but also fits with you and Andy&#8217;s personal stories about registering thousands of voters and VERY few of them having MEANT to register into the AIP.</p>
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		<title>By: Trent Hill</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/07/newsoms-girlfriend-accidentally-registers-with-the-aip/comment-page-1/#comment-4429</link>
		<dc:creator>Trent Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 01:42:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>paulie,

We must also remember that this is a party first formed in 1968. When it was formed, it became a force under George Wallace. Everyone who registed into the party, within 8 years of its founding HAD to know what it stood for--as George Wallace and the AIP were constantly in the news until 1976.  After that, William Shearer (the founder of the party) helped craft an election law that said parties would be listed alphabetically. As the party&#039;s original founding has moved further nad further away, you&#039;ve had more and more independents mistakenly registering into the party, while the number of ACTUAL AIPers declined due to death or dissafection to the Republicans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>paulie,</p>
<p>We must also remember that this is a party first formed in 1968. When it was formed, it became a force under George Wallace. Everyone who registed into the party, within 8 years of its founding HAD to know what it stood for&#8211;as George Wallace and the AIP were constantly in the news until 1976.  After that, William Shearer (the founder of the party) helped craft an election law that said parties would be listed alphabetically. As the party&#8217;s original founding has moved further nad further away, you&#8217;ve had more and more independents mistakenly registering into the party, while the number of ACTUAL AIPers declined due to death or dissafection to the Republicans.</p>
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		<title>By: paulie cannoli</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/07/newsoms-girlfriend-accidentally-registers-with-the-aip/comment-page-1/#comment-4413</link>
		<dc:creator>paulie cannoli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 23:16:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;anyone disagree?&lt;/i&gt;

Yes.

I think you are making a leap in saying that those who voted for AIP candidates are a subset of those registered AIP. 

For all we know, most of those who voted AIP are not registered AIP. 

I don&#039;t know this for a fact; what I &lt;i&gt;do&lt;/i&gt; know for  a fact is that I have registered thousands - I believe tens of thousands - of voters in California, including many who checked the AIP box. When they would do this I often asked them if they meant to register with a political party, and the vast, overwhelming majority indicated they did not - they meant to register decline to state a political party. 

Lastly, there were a very small number who did know what the AIP was and did mean to register that way. It was a vanishingly small minority. Maybe 0.2%, maybe even 2%, but certainly not anything like 20%.

This is only from personal experience, but I had  a large representative sample, and other petitioners I know have all told me the same thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>anyone disagree?</i></p>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p>I think you are making a leap in saying that those who voted for AIP candidates are a subset of those registered AIP. </p>
<p>For all we know, most of those who voted AIP are not registered AIP. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know this for a fact; what I <i>do</i> know for  a fact is that I have registered thousands &#8211; I believe tens of thousands &#8211; of voters in California, including many who checked the AIP box. When they would do this I often asked them if they meant to register with a political party, and the vast, overwhelming majority indicated they did not &#8211; they meant to register decline to state a political party. </p>
<p>Lastly, there were a very small number who did know what the AIP was and did mean to register that way. It was a vanishingly small minority. Maybe 0.2%, maybe even 2%, but certainly not anything like 20%.</p>
<p>This is only from personal experience, but I had  a large representative sample, and other petitioners I know have all told me the same thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Trent Hill</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/07/newsoms-girlfriend-accidentally-registers-with-the-aip/comment-page-1/#comment-4407</link>
		<dc:creator>Trent Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 22:10:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>anyone disagree?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>anyone disagree?</p>
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		<title>By: Trent Hill</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/07/newsoms-girlfriend-accidentally-registers-with-the-aip/comment-page-1/#comment-4254</link>
		<dc:creator>Trent Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 00:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Of the many I registered, the AIP would be lucky if 2.% knew they were registering with a political party.&quot;

That&#039;s a gross exaggeration.
As of May 2008, there are 331,619 voters registered with the AIP.
Michael Peroutka, recieved a paltry 26,600 votes for president in California in 2004. This is about a third of what our Senatorial and Gubanatorial candidates did in 2006. But using these 2004 numbers, 8% of AIPers voted for Peroutka. 
Using the senate race from 2006, the number is 22.72%. The gubanatorial race, 20%. 

The further back you go, the more the number increases--which contradicts your theory. More people are registered and vote independent these days,and yet the AIP&#039;s vote totals were HIGHER before this ascent of the &quot;Decline to State&quot; voter.

Senate race year -- Vote total
2006 -- 75,350
2004 -- 81,224
2000 -- 134,598
1998 -- 54,699 (weak candidate, dislike by many conservative)
1994 -- 142,771
1992 -- 373,051</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Of the many I registered, the AIP would be lucky if 2.% knew they were registering with a political party.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a gross exaggeration.<br />
As of May 2008, there are 331,619 voters registered with the AIP.<br />
Michael Peroutka, recieved a paltry 26,600 votes for president in California in 2004. This is about a third of what our Senatorial and Gubanatorial candidates did in 2006. But using these 2004 numbers, 8% of AIPers voted for Peroutka.<br />
Using the senate race from 2006, the number is 22.72%. The gubanatorial race, 20%. </p>
<p>The further back you go, the more the number increases&#8211;which contradicts your theory. More people are registered and vote independent these days,and yet the AIP&#8217;s vote totals were HIGHER before this ascent of the &#8220;Decline to State&#8221; voter.</p>
<p>Senate race year &#8212; Vote total<br />
2006 &#8212; 75,350<br />
2004 &#8212; 81,224<br />
2000 &#8212; 134,598<br />
1998 &#8212; 54,699 (weak candidate, dislike by many conservative)<br />
1994 &#8212; 142,771<br />
1992 &#8212; 373,051</p>
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		<title>By: paulie cannoli</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/07/newsoms-girlfriend-accidentally-registers-with-the-aip/comment-page-1/#comment-4243</link>
		<dc:creator>paulie cannoli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 23:37:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nun of the Above?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nun of the Above?</p>
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		<title>By: Brandon H.</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/07/newsoms-girlfriend-accidentally-registers-with-the-aip/comment-page-1/#comment-4242</link>
		<dc:creator>Brandon H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 23:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe someone should create a party called &quot;None of the Above&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe someone should create a party called &#8220;None of the Above&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: paulie cannoli</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/07/newsoms-girlfriend-accidentally-registers-with-the-aip/comment-page-1/#comment-4240</link>
		<dc:creator>paulie cannoli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 22:48:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Most who wish to be registered â€œindependentâ€ check the AIP box out of mistake or plain ignorance. &lt;/i&gt;

That&#039;s an exaggeration. Most who want to be registered independent correctly check the &quot;decline to state&quot; box. 

I&#039;ve advocated for some time now a new libertarian party in CA called the &quot;Decline of the State Party&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Most who wish to be registered â€œindependentâ€ check the AIP box out of mistake or plain ignorance. </i></p>
<p>That&#8217;s an exaggeration. Most who want to be registered independent correctly check the &#8220;decline to state&#8221; box. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve advocated for some time now a new libertarian party in CA called the &#8220;Decline of the State Party&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Gene Trosper</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/07/newsoms-girlfriend-accidentally-registers-with-the-aip/comment-page-1/#comment-4239</link>
		<dc:creator>Gene Trosper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 22:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is how the AIP has become the &quot;third largest&quot; party in California, based upon registration numbers. Most who wish to be registered &quot;independent&quot; check the AIP box out of mistake or plain ignorance. My guess is that if most AIP registrants knew what the party stood for, registration numbers would plummet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is how the AIP has become the &#8220;third largest&#8221; party in California, based upon registration numbers. Most who wish to be registered &#8220;independent&#8221; check the AIP box out of mistake or plain ignorance. My guess is that if most AIP registrants knew what the party stood for, registration numbers would plummet.</p>
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		<title>By: paulie cannoli</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/07/newsoms-girlfriend-accidentally-registers-with-the-aip/comment-page-1/#comment-4223</link>
		<dc:creator>paulie cannoli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 20:51:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of the many I registered, the AIP would be lucky if 2.% knew they were registering with a political party. 0.2% may have been more like it. And I had a pretty good sized sample.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of the many I registered, the AIP would be lucky if 2.% knew they were registering with a political party. 0.2% may have been more like it. And I had a pretty good sized sample.</p>
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		<title>By: Trent Hill</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/07/newsoms-girlfriend-accidentally-registers-with-the-aip/comment-page-1/#comment-4216</link>
		<dc:creator>Trent Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 20:34:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paulie,

I think &quot;the vast majority&quot; is unfair. I&#039;d say 20-25% of registered AIP voters KNOW what party they are in and vote along those lines when possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paulie,</p>
<p>I think &#8220;the vast majority&#8221; is unfair. I&#8217;d say 20-25% of registered AIP voters KNOW what party they are in and vote along those lines when possible.</p>
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		<title>By: paulie cannoli</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/07/newsoms-girlfriend-accidentally-registers-with-the-aip/comment-page-1/#comment-4211</link>
		<dc:creator>paulie cannoli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 18:51:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lots of people make that mistake. 

In my experience of registering thousands of voters in California (quite possibly tens of thousands), the vast majority of people who register AIP fall in this category.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lots of people make that mistake. </p>
<p>In my experience of registering thousands of voters in California (quite possibly tens of thousands), the vast majority of people who register AIP fall in this category.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Church Ortiz</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/07/newsoms-girlfriend-accidentally-registers-with-the-aip/comment-page-1/#comment-4210</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred Church Ortiz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 18:50:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still say the only way to make that mistake on the CA form is to not read it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still say the only way to make that mistake on the CA form is to not read it.</p>
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		<title>By: Trent Hill</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/07/newsoms-girlfriend-accidentally-registers-with-the-aip/comment-page-1/#comment-4208</link>
		<dc:creator>Trent Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 18:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How does a Mayor&#039;s girlfriend, who is constantly absolved in politics, NOT know this clear distinction?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How does a Mayor&#8217;s girlfriend, who is constantly absolved in politics, NOT know this clear distinction?</p>
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		<title>By: Arthur Torrey</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/07/newsoms-girlfriend-accidentally-registers-with-the-aip/comment-page-1/#comment-4202</link>
		<dc:creator>Arthur Torrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 17:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t feel bad...  In Mass. we have a &quot;political designation&quot; (the official term for &quot;minor party&quot; - takes 20 petition sigs to form one) known as the &quot;Independent Voters Party&quot; - in the states registration codes, they were assigned the letter &quot;I&quot; before anyone realized this would be a problem.
 
As a result, voters that don&#039;t want to be counted as members of a political party must REGISTER as &quot;UNENROLLED&quot; - can you say &quot;cognitive dissonance&quot;?  It can be a real challenge to explain how this system works...

ART
LPMA - Speaking for myself</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t feel bad&#8230;  In Mass. we have a &#8220;political designation&#8221; (the official term for &#8220;minor party&#8221; &#8211; takes 20 petition sigs to form one) known as the &#8220;Independent Voters Party&#8221; &#8211; in the states registration codes, they were assigned the letter &#8220;I&#8221; before anyone realized this would be a problem.</p>
<p>As a result, voters that don&#8217;t want to be counted as members of a political party must REGISTER as &#8220;UNENROLLED&#8221; &#8211; can you say &#8220;cognitive dissonance&#8221;?  It can be a real challenge to explain how this system works&#8230;</p>
<p>ART<br />
LPMA &#8211; Speaking for myself</p>
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