Comments on: Mary Ruwart endorses Scotty Boman for U.S. Senate http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/07/mary-ruwart-endorses-scotty-boman-for-us-senate/ Covering America's third parties and independent candidates since May 2008 Sat, 20 Mar 2010 18:22:09 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Scotty Boman http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/07/mary-ruwart-endorses-scotty-boman-for-us-senate/comment-page-1/#comment-33995 Scotty Boman Wed, 07 Jan 2009 00:48:43 +0000 http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/?p=752#comment-33995 I went to this article out of a sense of hubris and nostalgia, only to find this debate (for lack of a better word). Frankly I think this ship keeps sinking because the deck hands are too busy debating whether or not to hit the ice burg slow and sideways, or steer away from it. The debate is punctuated by remarks about the captain and engineer's sex lives. Both of whom could save the ship if they were consulted. Meanwhile the ice burg tears the hull. One may be right and the other wrong, but they end up at the bottom of the sea of tyranny. I went to this article out of a sense of hubris and nostalgia, only to find this debate (for lack of a better word).

Frankly I think this ship keeps sinking because the deck hands are too busy debating whether or not to hit the ice burg slow and sideways, or steer away from it.

The debate is punctuated by remarks about the captain and engineer’s sex lives. Both of whom could save the ship if they were consulted.

Meanwhile the ice burg tears the hull.

One may be right and the other wrong, but they end up at the bottom of the sea of tyranny.

]]> By: Mike Theodore http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/07/mary-ruwart-endorses-scotty-boman-for-us-senate/comment-page-1/#comment-6598 Mike Theodore Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:51:57 +0000 http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/?p=752#comment-6598 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0d/Titanicpic1.JPG Captain Milnes says: "Full speed ahead, Mr. Murdoch." *Motivational Titanic music plays.* http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0d/Titanicpic1.JPG

Captain Milnes says: “Full speed ahead, Mr. Murdoch.”
*Motivational Titanic music plays.*

]]> By: karl http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/07/mary-ruwart-endorses-scotty-boman-for-us-senate/comment-page-1/#comment-6543 karl Thu, 24 Jul 2008 17:41:06 +0000 http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/?p=752#comment-6543 Scarey as it may sound--Milnes is correct---Mary Ruwart does put the "loser" in "losertarian." Mary Ruwart is a home wrecker. And that makes her a loser in most books. Scarey as it may sound–Milnes is correct—Mary Ruwart does put the “loser” in “losertarian.” Mary Ruwart is a home wrecker. And that makes her a loser in most books.

]]> By: Mike Theodore http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/07/mary-ruwart-endorses-scotty-boman-for-us-senate/comment-page-1/#comment-6509 Mike Theodore Thu, 24 Jul 2008 08:49:25 +0000 http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/?p=752#comment-6509 Robert, I'd love to go searching for a chart of the area, but that's irrelevant. If the boat went forward at any speed, the water would have came in faster. The water went over the watertight doors into the halls of the front/mid sections. Even before the water went over the deck. One of the first things I figured out when I started fishing in my wee little brain was that if the front or back of the ship was down, pushing the throttle full speed ahead would throw the boat in the water full speed ahead. The water would continue coming in through the hole (at a faster speed, mind you). The doors were shut, but the water would continue to flow over them (at a faster speed, mind you). The pumps would still fail (at a faster speed, mind you). The only difference is, under Captain Milnes, the ship would have sunk faster, and less people would have had the chance to get off. Under your confidence, you probably wouldn't have called for help. More in the deep. So what now? Reverse all the way to England. The ship would still sink, but now everyone would be all "Why the hell did the fool go in reverse instead of evacuating?!" BTW, some kind chap actually put the entire movie on Youtube! A busy night ahead for me! Robert, I’d love to go searching for a chart of the area, but that’s irrelevant.
If the boat went forward at any speed, the water would have came in faster. The water went over the watertight doors into the halls of the front/mid sections. Even before the water went over the deck.
One of the first things I figured out when I started fishing in my wee little brain was that if the front or back of the ship was down, pushing the throttle full speed ahead would throw the boat in the water full speed ahead. The water would continue coming in through the hole (at a faster speed, mind you). The doors were shut, but the water would continue to flow over them (at a faster speed, mind you). The pumps would still fail (at a faster speed, mind you).
The only difference is, under Captain Milnes, the ship would have sunk faster, and less people would have had the chance to get off. Under your confidence, you probably wouldn’t have called for help. More in the deep.

So what now? Reverse all the way to England. The ship would still sink, but now everyone would be all “Why the hell did the fool go in reverse instead of evacuating?!”

BTW, some kind chap actually put the entire movie on Youtube! A busy night ahead for me!

]]> By: Robert Milnes http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/07/mary-ruwart-endorses-scotty-boman-for-us-senate/comment-page-1/#comment-6508 Robert Milnes Thu, 24 Jul 2008 08:25:55 +0000 http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/?p=752#comment-6508 Mike, I think your assessment of the Titanic is quite pessimistic. The nearest large land mass seems to be Hewfoundland. It is located about 375 miles SE of St Johns. But there may be small oslands closer. & the continental shelf goes out there so there may be shallows. I'd have to study a more detailed navigation chart. The lifeboats didn't go far. They just waited for rescue. It took about 3 hours to sink but that was just sitting in the water. If it went full steam, the pumps etc would have kept going. Maximum speed about 25mph. Now, it would have been challenged to not hit another iceberg. 11 hours. So, could it have stayed afloat 8 more hours if run at full steam? Is there a closer destination? Mike, I think your assessment of the Titanic is quite pessimistic. The nearest large land mass seems to be Hewfoundland. It is located about 375 miles SE of St Johns. But there may be small oslands closer. & the continental shelf goes out there so there may be shallows. I’d have to study a more detailed navigation chart. The lifeboats didn’t go far. They just waited for rescue. It took about 3 hours to sink but that was just sitting in the water. If it went full steam, the pumps etc would have kept going. Maximum speed about 25mph. Now, it would have been challenged to not hit another iceberg. 11 hours. So, could it have stayed afloat 8 more hours if run at full steam? Is there a closer destination?

]]> By: Mike Theodore http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/07/mary-ruwart-endorses-scotty-boman-for-us-senate/comment-page-1/#comment-6506 Mike Theodore Thu, 24 Jul 2008 07:47:35 +0000 http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/?p=752#comment-6506 Robert, you've sent me into mass Titanic research mode. It turns out they did have bilge pumps, I believe they were manual. A good amount of men stayed in the boiler rooms to man them before the bulkheads gave in. They were essentially as useless as a bucket brigade as water stormed the ship. Robert, you’ve sent me into mass Titanic research mode. It turns out they did have bilge pumps, I believe they were manual. A good amount of men stayed in the boiler rooms to man them before the bulkheads gave in. They were essentially as useless as a bucket brigade as water stormed the ship.

]]> By: Mike Theodore http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/07/mary-ruwart-endorses-scotty-boman-for-us-senate/comment-page-1/#comment-6502 Mike Theodore Thu, 24 Jul 2008 06:45:45 +0000 http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/?p=752#comment-6502 Robert, do you question my shipwreck historical information? There was no land anywhere near where the iceberg hit. That's why none of the lifeboats landed anywhere. It was also very, very deep water. No shallow shoals anywhere near. That's why it took so long to find the damned ship. Here's where my memory fails me. It's been a while since I researched the Titanic. I believe the first 3 compartments were filled with water immediately after the collision. The hole in the hull (hehe) stretched that far, I think. Almost immediately after that, two more compartments filled up before they were locked down. No bucket brigades could have even opened up one of those 2 compartments without the water spraying out at them. At this point, no bilge pumps could save them (if they had any). As you mention the orchestra, I assume your basing off the movie (even though reports say that the orchestra did exist, and they did play while the ship sank). Well, if you remember the scene after a few minutes, the front of the ship was sinking deep into the water, almost reaching the deck. Full steam ahead, that water would be pushed back onto the ship, and it would have sunk in a little less than an hour. The ship was fully submerged two and a half hours after hitting the iceberg. Nothing could have been done. There was nowhere to go, and no pump or "bucket brigade" could have saved them. S O S Now, can we get back to the concept of you acting like a political genius and everyone laughing at you? Robert, do you question my shipwreck historical information?
There was no land anywhere near where the iceberg hit. That’s why none of the lifeboats landed anywhere. It was also very, very deep water. No shallow shoals anywhere near. That’s why it took so long to find the damned ship.
Here’s where my memory fails me. It’s been a while since I researched the Titanic. I believe the first 3 compartments were filled with water immediately after the collision. The hole in the hull (hehe) stretched that far, I think. Almost immediately after that, two more compartments filled up before they were locked down.
No bucket brigades could have even opened up one of those 2 compartments without the water spraying out at them.
At this point, no bilge pumps could save them (if they had any).
As you mention the orchestra, I assume your basing off the movie (even though reports say that the orchestra did exist, and they did play while the ship sank). Well, if you remember the scene after a few minutes, the front of the ship was sinking deep into the water, almost reaching the deck. Full steam ahead, that water would be pushed back onto the ship, and it would have sunk in a little less than an hour.
The ship was fully submerged two and a half hours after hitting the iceberg. Nothing could have been done. There was nowhere to go, and no pump or “bucket brigade” could have saved them.
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Now, can we get back to the concept of you acting like a political genius and everyone laughing at you?

]]> By: Robert Milnes http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/07/mary-ruwart-endorses-scotty-boman-for-us-senate/comment-page-1/#comment-6501 Robert Milnes Thu, 24 Jul 2008 06:28:44 +0000 http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/?p=752#comment-6501 Mike Theodore, here's one for you. What would've happened if, instead of stopping dead in the water, the captain of the Titanic had ordered his navigator to locate the closest land (beached) or shallow shoals (run aground)& full steam in that direction? The bilge pumps could have been operated at full. Repair crews set in motion. Passengers could have formed bucket brigades (every little bit helps). But no. They stopped, radioed SOS & fired flares & the orchestra played in the freezing cold. Mike Theodore, here’s one for you. What would’ve happened if, instead of stopping dead in the water, the captain of the Titanic had ordered his navigator to locate the closest land (beached) or shallow shoals (run aground)& full steam in that direction? The bilge pumps could have been operated at full. Repair crews set in motion. Passengers could have formed bucket brigades (every little bit helps). But no. They stopped, radioed SOS & fired flares & the orchestra played in the freezing cold.

]]> By: Mike Theodore http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/07/mary-ruwart-endorses-scotty-boman-for-us-senate/comment-page-1/#comment-6500 Mike Theodore Thu, 24 Jul 2008 06:09:09 +0000 http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/?p=752#comment-6500 The great wisdom of the convention masses laugh in the face of Milnes! The LP will lose, and will lose many times ahead. With or without you, Robert. You just, for some reason, want to be the crazy captain manning the sinking ship. The great wisdom of the convention masses laugh in the face of Milnes! The LP will lose, and will lose many times ahead. With or without you, Robert. You just, for some reason, want to be the crazy captain manning the sinking ship.

]]> By: Robert Milnes http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/07/mary-ruwart-endorses-scotty-boman-for-us-senate/comment-page-1/#comment-6499 Robert Milnes Thu, 24 Jul 2008 05:52:10 +0000 http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/?p=752#comment-6499 Libertarians in their wisdom didn't support me. I lost. But the LP will lose too. So I guess that makes me just another loser. Libertarians in their wisdom didn’t support me. I lost. But the LP will lose too. So I guess that makes me just another loser.

]]> By: inDglass http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/07/mary-ruwart-endorses-scotty-boman-for-us-senate/comment-page-1/#comment-6496 inDglass Thu, 24 Jul 2008 05:33:26 +0000 http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/?p=752#comment-6496 You can't lose if you don't compete. :P You can’t lose if you don’t compete. :P

]]> By: Mike Gillis http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/07/mary-ruwart-endorses-scotty-boman-for-us-senate/comment-page-1/#comment-6488 Mike Gillis Thu, 24 Jul 2008 03:11:38 +0000 http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/?p=752#comment-6488 Mary Ruwart is a "loser", Milnes? When she actually had supporters for her candidacy and you didn't have a one.... ...what does that make you? Mary Ruwart is a “loser”, Milnes?

When she actually had supporters for her candidacy and you didn’t have a one….

…what does that make you?

]]> By: Jonathan Hawks http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/07/mary-ruwart-endorses-scotty-boman-for-us-senate/comment-page-1/#comment-6487 Jonathan Hawks Thu, 24 Jul 2008 03:00:07 +0000 http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/?p=752#comment-6487 Mary Ruwart puts the "libertarian" in the Libertarian Party. Mary Ruwart puts the “libertarian” in the Libertarian Party.

]]> By: Mike Theodore http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/07/mary-ruwart-endorses-scotty-boman-for-us-senate/comment-page-1/#comment-6479 Mike Theodore Thu, 24 Jul 2008 02:06:54 +0000 http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/?p=752#comment-6479 I'll leave that to you, big guy. I’ll leave that to you, big guy.

]]> By: Robert Milnes http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/07/mary-ruwart-endorses-scotty-boman-for-us-senate/comment-page-1/#comment-6478 Robert Milnes Thu, 24 Jul 2008 02:01:09 +0000 http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/?p=752#comment-6478 Skizzzz. Which Mike Theodore are you? Supporter or detractor? Skizzzz. Which Mike Theodore are you? Supporter or detractor?

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