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		<title>By: Eric Sundwall</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/07/lpny-chair-to-btp-drop-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-6744</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Sundwall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 16:12:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Answer to comment 42 by GE; 

I have no problem with how this article was referenced or handled by Paulie.</description>
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<p>I have no problem with how this article was referenced or handled by Paulie.</p>
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		<title>By: JimDavidson</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/07/lpny-chair-to-btp-drop-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-6229</link>
		<dc:creator>JimDavidson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 15:45:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good news, everybody, I have been contacted about forming a Missouri affiliate for the Boston Tea Party.  So we can push this nonsense along a little further.

Lance Brown, why was former executive directrix Shane Cory forced to resign?  I believe it was because he encouraged staff of the LP to show bias against one of the candidates prior to the nominating convention.  Why was Cory paid $17,870.97 after leaving his job?  Do you even care?

You have no problem with Bob Barr because everything he says is perfect.  But, many people do.  Many members of the LP aren&#039;t leaving the LP, and are not supporting Bob Barr.  Are they also cowards, deserters, and traitors, in your view?  You&#039;ve said despicable, disgusting, hateful things about me and the members of the Boston Tea Party.

I think you are a disgusting worm.  What have you ever done for freedom that I should care?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good news, everybody, I have been contacted about forming a Missouri affiliate for the Boston Tea Party.  So we can push this nonsense along a little further.</p>
<p>Lance Brown, why was former executive directrix Shane Cory forced to resign?  I believe it was because he encouraged staff of the LP to show bias against one of the candidates prior to the nominating convention.  Why was Cory paid $17,870.97 after leaving his job?  Do you even care?</p>
<p>You have no problem with Bob Barr because everything he says is perfect.  But, many people do.  Many members of the LP aren&#8217;t leaving the LP, and are not supporting Bob Barr.  Are they also cowards, deserters, and traitors, in your view?  You&#8217;ve said despicable, disgusting, hateful things about me and the members of the Boston Tea Party.</p>
<p>I think you are a disgusting worm.  What have you ever done for freedom that I should care?</p>
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		<title>By: cbennett</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/07/lpny-chair-to-btp-drop-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-6207</link>
		<dc:creator>cbennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 07:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the same Lance Brown who hollered, ranted and threw a big ol hissy fit on his personal blog back in 2004 about how unfairly he was treated by Aaron Russo and supposedly was promised that he would get paid for the website work he did for the campaign. You know what Lancey boy, I put in hundreds of hours into that campaign as Aaron&#039;s scheduling coordinator and wasn&#039;t paid a dime outside of Aaron and Steve Gordon paying for our hotel room in Atlanta.  The BTP, you jackass, is an alternative to the fakes who have hijacked the party, platform and turned it into a Republican-lite, more conservative party than before thanks to your buddies on the &quot;Retard, Reckless, Repugnant, Rude, Repulsive Caucus&quot;. Go back in your little hole in California and don&#039;t come back for another 4 years or so. Just remember: The LP left me, I am being purged from the only party I have supported for 16 years and I&#039;m leaving in November. So go ahead and support the racist, homophobic, big government, warmongering conservative......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the same Lance Brown who hollered, ranted and threw a big ol hissy fit on his personal blog back in 2004 about how unfairly he was treated by Aaron Russo and supposedly was promised that he would get paid for the website work he did for the campaign. You know what Lancey boy, I put in hundreds of hours into that campaign as Aaron&#8217;s scheduling coordinator and wasn&#8217;t paid a dime outside of Aaron and Steve Gordon paying for our hotel room in Atlanta.  The BTP, you jackass, is an alternative to the fakes who have hijacked the party, platform and turned it into a Republican-lite, more conservative party than before thanks to your buddies on the &#8220;Retard, Reckless, Repugnant, Rude, Repulsive Caucus&#8221;. Go back in your little hole in California and don&#8217;t come back for another 4 years or so. Just remember: The LP left me, I am being purged from the only party I have supported for 16 years and I&#8217;m leaving in November. So go ahead and support the racist, homophobic, big government, warmongering conservative&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: G.E.</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/07/lpny-chair-to-btp-drop-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-6202</link>
		<dc:creator>G.E.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 07:21:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>paulie - Yeah, but what you did was ALMOST as bad. 

*rolls eyes*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>paulie &#8211; Yeah, but what you did was ALMOST as bad. </p>
<p>*rolls eyes*</p>
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		<title>By: darolew</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/07/lpny-chair-to-btp-drop-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-6199</link>
		<dc:creator>darolew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 07:14:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;Tell that to David Nolan and the other founders of the LP, when they realized that a new political party was needed to combat the Republicans mostly, but the Democrats as well. Well now, it may be time to combat the LP as well.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

The situation is hardly comparable.

To reform the GOP or DP in 1971 would have been an impossible task. Both parties were massive, had thousands of anti-liberty elected officials, and had a message which was anti-liberty at the core.

To reform the LP of 2008 seems easy by comparison. The core message of the LP, even if it has become less pure over the years, is still a lot closer to pure libertarian than the GOP/DP of 1971. The party is smaller and less entrenched in politics than the GOP/DP. It doesn&#039;t have thousands of elected officials who are -- at their core -- the anti-theses of liberty. The LP -- unlike the GOP/DP of 1971 -- has a significant proportion of the party that adheres to pure libertarianism.

If pure libertarianism is to have a home anywhere, it&#039;ll be the LP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Tell that to David Nolan and the other founders of the LP, when they realized that a new political party was needed to combat the Republicans mostly, but the Democrats as well. Well now, it may be time to combat the LP as well.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>The situation is hardly comparable.</p>
<p>To reform the GOP or DP in 1971 would have been an impossible task. Both parties were massive, had thousands of anti-liberty elected officials, and had a message which was anti-liberty at the core.</p>
<p>To reform the LP of 2008 seems easy by comparison. The core message of the LP, even if it has become less pure over the years, is still a lot closer to pure libertarian than the GOP/DP of 1971. The party is smaller and less entrenched in politics than the GOP/DP. It doesn&#8217;t have thousands of elected officials who are &#8212; at their core &#8212; the anti-theses of liberty. The LP &#8212; unlike the GOP/DP of 1971 &#8212; has a significant proportion of the party that adheres to pure libertarianism.</p>
<p>If pure libertarianism is to have a home anywhere, it&#8217;ll be the LP.</p>
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		<title>By: paulie cannoli</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/07/lpny-chair-to-btp-drop-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-6153</link>
		<dc:creator>paulie cannoli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 22:36:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At this point, I&#039;m letting this one go. Not worth arguing about. I think citing the author was sufficient to avoid charges of plagiarism and hypocrisy. Since others felt otherwise, I also went back and cited the original place of publication. As a result, it got read and discussed a lot more than it would have been otherwise. 

On the other hand, turd potty watch copies other people&#039;s work without citing the author, doesn&#039;t fix it when the problem is pointed out to them, 
censors links to IPR in the comments, falsely attributes articles to people who did not write them (separate problem from the plagiarism), and otherwise continues to be a continuing textbook example of disgraceful perfidy in action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At this point, I&#8217;m letting this one go. Not worth arguing about. I think citing the author was sufficient to avoid charges of plagiarism and hypocrisy. Since others felt otherwise, I also went back and cited the original place of publication. As a result, it got read and discussed a lot more than it would have been otherwise. </p>
<p>On the other hand, turd potty watch copies other people&#8217;s work without citing the author, doesn&#8217;t fix it when the problem is pointed out to them,<br />
censors links to IPR in the comments, falsely attributes articles to people who did not write them (separate problem from the plagiarism), and otherwise continues to be a continuing textbook example of disgraceful perfidy in action.</p>
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		<title>By: G.E.</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/07/lpny-chair-to-btp-drop-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-6152</link>
		<dc:creator>G.E.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 22:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Question for Eric Sundwall to settle the ridiculous charges by George Donnelly -- Do you feel you were abused by paulie forgetting to link to your article, or are you glad that he posted it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Question for Eric Sundwall to settle the ridiculous charges by George Donnelly &#8212; Do you feel you were abused by paulie forgetting to link to your article, or are you glad that he posted it?</p>
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		<title>By: G.E.</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/07/lpny-chair-to-btp-drop-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-6151</link>
		<dc:creator>G.E.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 22:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff - What a dickhead statement. I have a &quot;complete lack of understanding of anything remotely political&quot;?

WTF?

An internet-based political party is naturally going to get more coverage on the Internet than in print media.

Saying otherwise shows a complete lack of common sense on your part.

We cover news that&#039;s sent to us, almost without fail. If some other central-planning Nazi would like to &quot;correctly&quot; proportion coverage, they can start their own sites.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff &#8211; What a dickhead statement. I have a &#8220;complete lack of understanding of anything remotely political&#8221;?</p>
<p>WTF?</p>
<p>An internet-based political party is naturally going to get more coverage on the Internet than in print media.</p>
<p>Saying otherwise shows a complete lack of common sense on your part.</p>
<p>We cover news that&#8217;s sent to us, almost without fail. If some other central-planning Nazi would like to &#8220;correctly&#8221; proportion coverage, they can start their own sites.</p>
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		<title>By: G.E.</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/07/lpny-chair-to-btp-drop-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-6150</link>
		<dc:creator>G.E.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 21:58:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Donelly - Holier than TPW which steals and cheats. Paulie was posting a letter and didn&#039;t provide a link. That&#039;s not exactly something worthy of having a hissy fit over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Donelly &#8211; Holier than TPW which steals and cheats. Paulie was posting a letter and didn&#8217;t provide a link. That&#8217;s not exactly something worthy of having a hissy fit over.</p>
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		<title>By: Lance Brown</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/07/lpny-chair-to-btp-drop-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-6146</link>
		<dc:creator>Lance Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 21:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did find one point on which you&#039;ve shown some consistency:

&lt;i&gt;&quot;At this time, I am reconsidering my previously stated intention...&quot; &lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did find one point on which you&#8217;ve shown some consistency:</p>
<p><i>&#8220;At this time, I am reconsidering my previously stated intention&#8230;&#8221; </i></p>
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		<title>By: Lance Brown</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/07/lpny-chair-to-btp-drop-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-6145</link>
		<dc:creator>Lance Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 21:20:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom, I didn&#039;t miss or exclude that clause, it&#039;s just that you didn&#039;t define &quot;decide between&quot; until I guess just now. And your schizophrenia continues to show through in your answer...(emphasis mine)

&quot;&lt;b&gt;I donâ€™t have to choose between the Boston Tea Partyâ€™s presidential slate and the Libertarian Partyâ€™s presidential slate. &lt;/b&gt;The Boston Tea Partyâ€™s 2008 presidential slate is not on the ballot in Missouri. The Boston Tea Partyâ€™s 2008 presidential slate is not going to be on the ballot in Missouri. &quot;

Tom, you already have chosen between the two slates. You&#039;ve disavowed one, and you&#039;re on the other one. You are actively promoting another party&#039;s presidential slate (from the LP perspective). I realize that you haven&#039;t necessarily yet bumped into an official, rules-based conflict between your two conflicting sides, but you yourself acknowledge that it&#039;s just a matter of time. The conflict is already there, whether it manifests in something that makes you resign a position or not.

Pretending to be an LP loyalist while also being the guy who started the anti-LP sour grapes party is not something you are going to be able to maintain very well, I suspect. I find most of what you have to say on the subject very hard to swallow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom, I didn&#8217;t miss or exclude that clause, it&#8217;s just that you didn&#8217;t define &#8220;decide between&#8221; until I guess just now. And your schizophrenia continues to show through in your answer&#8230;(emphasis mine)</p>
<p>&#8220;<b>I donâ€™t have to choose between the Boston Tea Partyâ€™s presidential slate and the Libertarian Partyâ€™s presidential slate. </b>The Boston Tea Partyâ€™s 2008 presidential slate is not on the ballot in Missouri. The Boston Tea Partyâ€™s 2008 presidential slate is not going to be on the ballot in Missouri. &#8221;</p>
<p>Tom, you already have chosen between the two slates. You&#8217;ve disavowed one, and you&#8217;re on the other one. You are actively promoting another party&#8217;s presidential slate (from the LP perspective). I realize that you haven&#8217;t necessarily yet bumped into an official, rules-based conflict between your two conflicting sides, but you yourself acknowledge that it&#8217;s just a matter of time. The conflict is already there, whether it manifests in something that makes you resign a position or not.</p>
<p>Pretending to be an LP loyalist while also being the guy who started the anti-LP sour grapes party is not something you are going to be able to maintain very well, I suspect. I find most of what you have to say on the subject very hard to swallow.</p>
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		<title>By: inDglass</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/07/lpny-chair-to-btp-drop-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-6142</link>
		<dc:creator>inDglass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since the BTP allows its members to vote &quot;none of the above&quot; for a nomination and since it regularly endorses candidates who are running for the LP and other parties, if the LP or any other party is running an exceptable candidate, the BTP could choose to not run against them and endorse them instead.

NOTA finished quite well in the presidential nomination vote this year. I would bet that if the LP nominated a more acceptable candidate, NOTA would have won the BTP nomination, and the BTP&#039;s National Committee might be debating the nomination of the LP&#039;s presidential nominee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since the BTP allows its members to vote &#8220;none of the above&#8221; for a nomination and since it regularly endorses candidates who are running for the LP and other parties, if the LP or any other party is running an exceptable candidate, the BTP could choose to not run against them and endorse them instead.</p>
<p>NOTA finished quite well in the presidential nomination vote this year. I would bet that if the LP nominated a more acceptable candidate, NOTA would have won the BTP nomination, and the BTP&#8217;s National Committee might be debating the nomination of the LP&#8217;s presidential nominee.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas L. Knapp</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/07/lpny-chair-to-btp-drop-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-6115</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas L. Knapp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 13:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lance,

Nice catch, but look a little more carefully. You write:

&quot;It seems like you were saying that if the BTP and LP nominated opposing presidential slates, you would no longer &#039;be free to serve and support my state LP&#039;.&quot;

Only if you leave out an entire, very specific, clause. What I wrote was:

&quot;I am free to support and serve my state LP until such time as ... the LP and the Boston Tea Party nominate opposing presidential slates &lt;b&gt;which Iâ€™d have to decide between.&lt;/b&gt; [emphasis mine]

I don&#039;t have to choose between the Boston Tea Party&#039;s presidential slate and the Libertarian Party&#039;s presidential slate. The Boston Tea Party&#039;s 2008 presidential slate is not on the ballot in Missouri. The Boston Tea Party&#039;s 2008 presidential slate is not &lt;em&gt;going&lt;/em&gt; to be on the ballot in Missouri. 

When the Boston Tea Party forms an affiliate in Missouri, I will of course join it (I may even help organize it). When and if the Missouri BTP affiliate enters into competition with the Missouri LP (by, for example, seeking ballot access for its own slate of candidates), I will resign any offices of trust I  hold in the Missouri LP. At this time, I am reconsidering my previously stated intention to seek such an office of trust next month with precisely that potential conflict in mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lance,</p>
<p>Nice catch, but look a little more carefully. You write:</p>
<p>&#8220;It seems like you were saying that if the BTP and LP nominated opposing presidential slates, you would no longer &#8216;be free to serve and support my state LP&#8217;.&#8221;</p>
<p>Only if you leave out an entire, very specific, clause. What I wrote was:</p>
<p>&#8220;I am free to support and serve my state LP until such time as &#8230; the LP and the Boston Tea Party nominate opposing presidential slates <b>which Iâ€™d have to decide between.</b> [emphasis mine]</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have to choose between the Boston Tea Party&#8217;s presidential slate and the Libertarian Party&#8217;s presidential slate. The Boston Tea Party&#8217;s 2008 presidential slate is not on the ballot in Missouri. The Boston Tea Party&#8217;s 2008 presidential slate is not <em>going</em> to be on the ballot in Missouri. </p>
<p>When the Boston Tea Party forms an affiliate in Missouri, I will of course join it (I may even help organize it). When and if the Missouri BTP affiliate enters into competition with the Missouri LP (by, for example, seeking ballot access for its own slate of candidates), I will resign any offices of trust I  hold in the Missouri LP. At this time, I am reconsidering my previously stated intention to seek such an office of trust next month with precisely that potential conflict in mind.</p>
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		<title>By: paulie cannoli</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/07/lpny-chair-to-btp-drop-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-6113</link>
		<dc:creator>paulie cannoli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 13:36:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m pretty relaxed about it. I added a headline and a description, and cited the author.

If TPW did the same for the articles it copies, I don&#039;t think we would have much of a problem. Even if all they did was credit us, with or without a link, that would be a major improvement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m pretty relaxed about it. I added a headline and a description, and cited the author.</p>
<p>If TPW did the same for the articles it copies, I don&#8217;t think we would have much of a problem. Even if all they did was credit us, with or without a link, that would be a major improvement.</p>
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		<title>By: George Donnelly</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/07/lpny-chair-to-btp-drop-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-6109</link>
		<dc:creator>George Donnelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 11:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok you guys are holier than thou and just because you

- copied in whole from another blog
- did not link back

but did not

- fail to mention the author&#039;s name

what you did has ZERO resemblance whatsoever to what you reamed TPW for doing.

Is that what you want to hear?

You got 2/3. That&#039;s pretty close. In any case, what distinguishes you is you made it right.

So relax.

I&#039;m on your side, generally speaking, so no reason to get your dander up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok you guys are holier than thou and just because you</p>
<p>- copied in whole from another blog<br />
- did not link back</p>
<p>but did not</p>
<p>- fail to mention the author&#8217;s name</p>
<p>what you did has ZERO resemblance whatsoever to what you reamed TPW for doing.</p>
<p>Is that what you want to hear?</p>
<p>You got 2/3. That&#8217;s pretty close. In any case, what distinguishes you is you made it right.</p>
<p>So relax.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m on your side, generally speaking, so no reason to get your dander up.</p>
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