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		<title>By: Peter Orvetti</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/06/official-bob-barr-campaign-bloggers-will-bolt-from-lp-after-election/comment-page-1/#comment-2790</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Orvetti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 10:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So how many folks here have small children?  I&#039;ll bet the Knapp-Millay kids will grow up to be interesting.  My wife and I were discussing what the children of Libertarians should be called.  In olden times, the children of leftists were &quot;red-diaper babies.&quot;  So I guess LP kids are &quot;no-diaper babies&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So how many folks here have small children?  I&#8217;ll bet the Knapp-Millay kids will grow up to be interesting.  My wife and I were discussing what the children of Libertarians should be called.  In olden times, the children of leftists were &#8220;red-diaper babies.&#8221;  So I guess LP kids are &#8220;no-diaper babies&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Orvetti</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Orvetti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 10:37:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paulie,

Kudos to you for seeing through Perot from the start.  Almost everyone I know, of any political persuasion, has told me they briefly backed Perot that first time around (though he only hit 40% in the polls, so obviously not everyone did).  It&#039;s like that Simpsons episode: &quot;Someone else!  Someone else!&quot;  &quot;I&#039;M someone else!&quot;  &quot;Hey, he&#039;s right!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paulie,</p>
<p>Kudos to you for seeing through Perot from the start.  Almost everyone I know, of any political persuasion, has told me they briefly backed Perot that first time around (though he only hit 40% in the polls, so obviously not everyone did).  It&#8217;s like that Simpsons episode: &#8220;Someone else!  Someone else!&#8221;  &#8220;I&#8217;M someone else!&#8221;  &#8220;Hey, he&#8217;s right!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Comedy Central cites IPR in Barr/Paul connection satire</title>
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		<dc:creator>Comedy Central cites IPR in Barr/Paul connection satire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 05:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: JA Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>JA Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 03:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The key to the strategy I mention is for our candidate to get exposure.  For this reason, Bob Barr was the perfect candidate.  He has credentials which are accepted by &quot;MSM&quot; as well as voters.  He has received much national exposure and will continue to do so.  Philosophically, I differ with Bob on a few key points.  However, I am excited about this campaign and what it can mean for the LP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The key to the strategy I mention is for our candidate to get exposure.  For this reason, Bob Barr was the perfect candidate.  He has credentials which are accepted by &#8220;MSM&#8221; as well as voters.  He has received much national exposure and will continue to do so.  Philosophically, I differ with Bob on a few key points.  However, I am excited about this campaign and what it can mean for the LP.</p>
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		<title>By: JA Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>JA Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 03:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t normally respond to alot of articles but here goes:
 
1st.  I think most people who identify themselves as libertarian have evolved to their belief; either through a sense of dis-satisfaction with the majors or through a process of thoughtful change.

2nd  I don&#039;t feel that it&#039;s an effective strategy to use our presidential candidate to &quot;educate&quot; the public about libertarianism.  He should present libertarian views in a manner in which the &quot;uninformed&quot; libertarian leaning voters can handle.  
3rd.  In doing the above, many people who hear his/her views will begin to identify with the LP and a percentage will feel strongly enough to join the LP.  A fraction of those who join will be willing to contribute financially.  Finally, a fraction of the new financial supporters will contribute significant amounts to the party and its candidates as well as contributing time and resources.  Eventually the LP gains credibility with the voters and  our candidates are elected.
That is how a sustainable party is built.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t normally respond to alot of articles but here goes:</p>
<p>1st.  I think most people who identify themselves as libertarian have evolved to their belief; either through a sense of dis-satisfaction with the majors or through a process of thoughtful change.</p>
<p>2nd  I don&#8217;t feel that it&#8217;s an effective strategy to use our presidential candidate to &#8220;educate&#8221; the public about libertarianism.  He should present libertarian views in a manner in which the &#8220;uninformed&#8221; libertarian leaning voters can handle.<br />
3rd.  In doing the above, many people who hear his/her views will begin to identify with the LP and a percentage will feel strongly enough to join the LP.  A fraction of those who join will be willing to contribute financially.  Finally, a fraction of the new financial supporters will contribute significant amounts to the party and its candidates as well as contributing time and resources.  Eventually the LP gains credibility with the voters and  our candidates are elected.<br />
That is how a sustainable party is built.</p>
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		<title>By: paulie cannoli</title>
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		<dc:creator>paulie cannoli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 21:16:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>However, it&#039;s true that I was a Democrat, and may very well have become a Green rather than a Libertarian if they had ballot access in Alabama in 1992.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>However, it&#8217;s true that I was a Democrat, and may very well have become a Green rather than a Libertarian if they had ballot access in Alabama in 1992.</p>
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		<title>By: paulie cannoli</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/06/official-bob-barr-campaign-bloggers-will-bolt-from-lp-after-election/comment-page-1/#comment-2750</link>
		<dc:creator>paulie cannoli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 21:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I also supported Perot for about three days in 1992 â€” but who didnâ€™t?&lt;/i&gt;

Me, for example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I also supported Perot for about three days in 1992 â€” but who didnâ€™t?</i></p>
<p>Me, for example.</p>
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		<title>By: G.E.</title>
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		<dc:creator>G.E.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 20:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter - I was on the radio with ElfNinosMom and Paulie a few days ago, both of whom are former Democrats. Tom Knapp was a Buckleyite conservative and later a Democrat. Most libertarians are former conservatives. Gene and Steve Perkins keep ragging me about being an anti-war, anti-drug war, anti-PATRIOT ACT (and pro-a-lot-0f-bad-things) Green in 2004, but when they do so, they are really just dissing about every libertarian there is, since very few people spring from their mother&#039;s wombs as libertarians. 

I&#039;m not that old. 2004 seems like a LONG time ago to me. In that time, I&#039;ve gone back to and graduated from college, changed careers, started several businesses, and had a child. My life has changed a lot more in non-political areas than it has in political matters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter &#8211; I was on the radio with ElfNinosMom and Paulie a few days ago, both of whom are former Democrats. Tom Knapp was a Buckleyite conservative and later a Democrat. Most libertarians are former conservatives. Gene and Steve Perkins keep ragging me about being an anti-war, anti-drug war, anti-PATRIOT ACT (and pro-a-lot-0f-bad-things) Green in 2004, but when they do so, they are really just dissing about every libertarian there is, since very few people spring from their mother&#8217;s wombs as libertarians. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not that old. 2004 seems like a LONG time ago to me. In that time, I&#8217;ve gone back to and graduated from college, changed careers, started several businesses, and had a child. My life has changed a lot more in non-political areas than it has in political matters.</p>
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		<title>By: G.E.</title>
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		<dc:creator>G.E.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 20:26:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I added this to the start of the article:

&lt;b&gt;Editor&#039;s Note: Although the letter is co-signed by Mr. Austin Wilkes and Ms. Shana Kluck, Ms.Kluck has expressed her intent to stay in the Libertarian Party. Many of the statements in the letter use the singular &quot;I&quot; pronoun, despite it being signed by two individuals.&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I added this to the start of the article:</p>
<p><b>Editor&#8217;s Note: Although the letter is co-signed by Mr. Austin Wilkes and Ms. Shana Kluck, Ms.Kluck has expressed her intent to stay in the Libertarian Party. Many of the statements in the letter use the singular &#8220;I&#8221; pronoun, despite it being signed by two individuals.</b></p>
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		<title>By: Peter Orvetti</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Orvetti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 20:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s funny to think of G.E. as a Green.  But I was briefly a member of the Socialist Party in college, so I can&#039;t disagree that people do grow and evolve.  That&#039;s one reason I&#039;ve been telling people to be open-minded about Barr.

At one time or another, I&#039;ve been a member of four political parties -- both majors, the LP, and the Socialists.  (I have a certain respect for the Socialist Party, which is more practical and less prone to using stilted leftospeak in its public pronouncements than its peers on the far left.)  I also supported Perot for about three days in 1992 -- but who didn&#039;t?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s funny to think of G.E. as a Green.  But I was briefly a member of the Socialist Party in college, so I can&#8217;t disagree that people do grow and evolve.  That&#8217;s one reason I&#8217;ve been telling people to be open-minded about Barr.</p>
<p>At one time or another, I&#8217;ve been a member of four political parties &#8212; both majors, the LP, and the Socialists.  (I have a certain respect for the Socialist Party, which is more practical and less prone to using stilted leftospeak in its public pronouncements than its peers on the far left.)  I also supported Perot for about three days in 1992 &#8212; but who didn&#8217;t?</p>
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		<title>By: paulie cannoli</title>
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		<dc:creator>paulie cannoli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 20:01:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, I notice TPW is linking to some of the news items here now, such as this one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, I notice TPW is linking to some of the news items here now, such as this one.</p>
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		<title>By: paulie cannoli</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/06/official-bob-barr-campaign-bloggers-will-bolt-from-lp-after-election/comment-page-1/#comment-2738</link>
		<dc:creator>paulie cannoli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 20:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shana is correct. Austin was speaking only for himself when he spoke about planning to leave the LP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shana is correct. Austin was speaking only for himself when he spoke about planning to leave the LP.</p>
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		<title>By: G.E.</title>
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		<dc:creator>G.E.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 19:31:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve - Don&#039;t you see the difference between someone like you -- a non-&quot;purist&quot; libertarian fighting to expand the LP -- and someone who is working for Barr and saying they&#039;re planning on leaving after November.

You = Working to expand the party

Them = Not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve &#8211; Don&#8217;t you see the difference between someone like you &#8212; a non-&#8221;purist&#8221; libertarian fighting to expand the LP &#8212; and someone who is working for Barr and saying they&#8217;re planning on leaving after November.</p>
<p>You = Working to expand the party</p>
<p>Them = Not.</p>
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		<title>By: G.E.</title>
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		<dc:creator>G.E.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 19:30:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your knowledge of the framing vs. ratification of the Constitution is sorely lacking, Mr. Perkins. The framers were different men with a very different agenda than the people who ratified the Constitution. What&#039;s important is the intent of the ratifiers, not the intent of the framers. Suggested reading: Politically Incorrect Guide to the Constitution. I understand you are a legal scholar, but you might enjoy this different perspective.

The pledge says what it says. If you interpret it to mean something other than what it literally says, then that&#039;s on you.

The pledge does not hold one to anarchism. It just opposes coercive taxation. I believe that libertarianism, the philosophy, is limited to those who believe in no government and those who believe in a minimal government extending not beyond the provision of police, national defense, and court services; voluntarily funded by user fees or charity. That does not mean I do not welcome camaraderie with liberty-minded fellows such as you, so don&#039;t twist my words to say that&#039;s what I&#039;m saying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your knowledge of the framing vs. ratification of the Constitution is sorely lacking, Mr. Perkins. The framers were different men with a very different agenda than the people who ratified the Constitution. What&#8217;s important is the intent of the ratifiers, not the intent of the framers. Suggested reading: Politically Incorrect Guide to the Constitution. I understand you are a legal scholar, but you might enjoy this different perspective.</p>
<p>The pledge says what it says. If you interpret it to mean something other than what it literally says, then that&#8217;s on you.</p>
<p>The pledge does not hold one to anarchism. It just opposes coercive taxation. I believe that libertarianism, the philosophy, is limited to those who believe in no government and those who believe in a minimal government extending not beyond the provision of police, national defense, and court services; voluntarily funded by user fees or charity. That does not mean I do not welcome camaraderie with liberty-minded fellows such as you, so don&#8217;t twist my words to say that&#8217;s what I&#8217;m saying.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Perkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Perkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 18:48:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jose - I am certainly doing my best to make conservative-leaning libertarians and libertarian-leaning conservatives feel like they can find a home in the LP.  Since Denver, I&#039;ve spent more time on other blogs (actually, you know, discussing what&#039;s wrong with the two major parties)... and less time on this blog (near-100% discussion of what&#039;s wrong with my own Party).  If I were a newcomer, I&#039;m not exactly sure what my impressions would be right around now.

G.E. - What on earth are you talking about, with the &quot;framers&quot; vs. the &quot;ratifiers&quot;.  The core of the Constitution was ratified almost immediately after it was written, and there&#039;s not any evidence of all the States saying, &quot;We interpret this 180-degrees opposite from what those at the convention have to say about it.&quot;  If you interpret the LP pledge as being an axiom which requires all members to be anarchists, then hurray for you and your own personal &quot;ratification&quot; there.  However, that is YOUR personal ratification... and is neither mine nor the founders who wrote it... so don&#039;t try to hold it over others&#039; heads as a litmus test.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jose &#8211; I am certainly doing my best to make conservative-leaning libertarians and libertarian-leaning conservatives feel like they can find a home in the LP.  Since Denver, I&#8217;ve spent more time on other blogs (actually, you know, discussing what&#8217;s wrong with the two major parties)&#8230; and less time on this blog (near-100% discussion of what&#8217;s wrong with my own Party).  If I were a newcomer, I&#8217;m not exactly sure what my impressions would be right around now.</p>
<p>G.E. &#8211; What on earth are you talking about, with the &#8220;framers&#8221; vs. the &#8220;ratifiers&#8221;.  The core of the Constitution was ratified almost immediately after it was written, and there&#8217;s not any evidence of all the States saying, &#8220;We interpret this 180-degrees opposite from what those at the convention have to say about it.&#8221;  If you interpret the LP pledge as being an axiom which requires all members to be anarchists, then hurray for you and your own personal &#8220;ratification&#8221; there.  However, that is YOUR personal ratification&#8230; and is neither mine nor the founders who wrote it&#8230; so don&#8217;t try to hold it over others&#8217; heads as a litmus test.</p>
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