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		<title>By: Peter Orvetti</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/06/official-bob-barr-campaign-bloggers-will-bolt-from-lp-after-election/comment-page-1/#comment-2790</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Orvetti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 10:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So how many folks here have small children?  I&#039;ll bet the Knapp-Millay kids will grow up to be interesting.  My wife and I were discussing what the children of Libertarians should be called.  In olden times, the children of leftists were &quot;red-diaper babies.&quot;  So I guess LP kids are &quot;no-diaper babies&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So how many folks here have small children?  I&#8217;ll bet the Knapp-Millay kids will grow up to be interesting.  My wife and I were discussing what the children of Libertarians should be called.  In olden times, the children of leftists were &#8220;red-diaper babies.&#8221;  So I guess LP kids are &#8220;no-diaper babies&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Orvetti</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Orvetti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 10:37:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paulie,

Kudos to you for seeing through Perot from the start.  Almost everyone I know, of any political persuasion, has told me they briefly backed Perot that first time around (though he only hit 40% in the polls, so obviously not everyone did).  It&#039;s like that Simpsons episode: &quot;Someone else!  Someone else!&quot;  &quot;I&#039;M someone else!&quot;  &quot;Hey, he&#039;s right!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paulie,</p>
<p>Kudos to you for seeing through Perot from the start.  Almost everyone I know, of any political persuasion, has told me they briefly backed Perot that first time around (though he only hit 40% in the polls, so obviously not everyone did).  It&#8217;s like that Simpsons episode: &#8220;Someone else!  Someone else!&#8221;  &#8220;I&#8217;M someone else!&#8221;  &#8220;Hey, he&#8217;s right!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Comedy Central cites IPR in Barr/Paul connection satire</title>
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		<dc:creator>Comedy Central cites IPR in Barr/Paul connection satire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 05:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: JA Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>JA Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 03:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The key to the strategy I mention is for our candidate to get exposure.  For this reason, Bob Barr was the perfect candidate.  He has credentials which are accepted by &quot;MSM&quot; as well as voters.  He has received much national exposure and will continue to do so.  Philosophically, I differ with Bob on a few key points.  However, I am excited about this campaign and what it can mean for the LP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The key to the strategy I mention is for our candidate to get exposure.  For this reason, Bob Barr was the perfect candidate.  He has credentials which are accepted by &#8220;MSM&#8221; as well as voters.  He has received much national exposure and will continue to do so.  Philosophically, I differ with Bob on a few key points.  However, I am excited about this campaign and what it can mean for the LP.</p>
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		<title>By: JA Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>JA Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 03:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t normally respond to alot of articles but here goes:
 
1st.  I think most people who identify themselves as libertarian have evolved to their belief; either through a sense of dis-satisfaction with the majors or through a process of thoughtful change.

2nd  I don&#039;t feel that it&#039;s an effective strategy to use our presidential candidate to &quot;educate&quot; the public about libertarianism.  He should present libertarian views in a manner in which the &quot;uninformed&quot; libertarian leaning voters can handle.  
3rd.  In doing the above, many people who hear his/her views will begin to identify with the LP and a percentage will feel strongly enough to join the LP.  A fraction of those who join will be willing to contribute financially.  Finally, a fraction of the new financial supporters will contribute significant amounts to the party and its candidates as well as contributing time and resources.  Eventually the LP gains credibility with the voters and  our candidates are elected.
That is how a sustainable party is built.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t normally respond to alot of articles but here goes:</p>
<p>1st.  I think most people who identify themselves as libertarian have evolved to their belief; either through a sense of dis-satisfaction with the majors or through a process of thoughtful change.</p>
<p>2nd  I don&#8217;t feel that it&#8217;s an effective strategy to use our presidential candidate to &#8220;educate&#8221; the public about libertarianism.  He should present libertarian views in a manner in which the &#8220;uninformed&#8221; libertarian leaning voters can handle.<br />
3rd.  In doing the above, many people who hear his/her views will begin to identify with the LP and a percentage will feel strongly enough to join the LP.  A fraction of those who join will be willing to contribute financially.  Finally, a fraction of the new financial supporters will contribute significant amounts to the party and its candidates as well as contributing time and resources.  Eventually the LP gains credibility with the voters and  our candidates are elected.<br />
That is how a sustainable party is built.</p>
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		<title>By: paulie cannoli</title>
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		<dc:creator>paulie cannoli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 21:16:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>However, it&#039;s true that I was a Democrat, and may very well have become a Green rather than a Libertarian if they had ballot access in Alabama in 1992.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>However, it&#8217;s true that I was a Democrat, and may very well have become a Green rather than a Libertarian if they had ballot access in Alabama in 1992.</p>
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		<title>By: paulie cannoli</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/06/official-bob-barr-campaign-bloggers-will-bolt-from-lp-after-election/comment-page-1/#comment-2750</link>
		<dc:creator>paulie cannoli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 21:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I also supported Perot for about three days in 1992 â€” but who didnâ€™t?&lt;/i&gt;

Me, for example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I also supported Perot for about three days in 1992 â€” but who didnâ€™t?</i></p>
<p>Me, for example.</p>
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		<title>By: G.E.</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/06/official-bob-barr-campaign-bloggers-will-bolt-from-lp-after-election/comment-page-1/#comment-2744</link>
		<dc:creator>G.E.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 20:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter - I was on the radio with ElfNinosMom and Paulie a few days ago, both of whom are former Democrats. Tom Knapp was a Buckleyite conservative and later a Democrat. Most libertarians are former conservatives. Gene and Steve Perkins keep ragging me about being an anti-war, anti-drug war, anti-PATRIOT ACT (and pro-a-lot-0f-bad-things) Green in 2004, but when they do so, they are really just dissing about every libertarian there is, since very few people spring from their mother&#039;s wombs as libertarians. 

I&#039;m not that old. 2004 seems like a LONG time ago to me. In that time, I&#039;ve gone back to and graduated from college, changed careers, started several businesses, and had a child. My life has changed a lot more in non-political areas than it has in political matters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter &#8211; I was on the radio with ElfNinosMom and Paulie a few days ago, both of whom are former Democrats. Tom Knapp was a Buckleyite conservative and later a Democrat. Most libertarians are former conservatives. Gene and Steve Perkins keep ragging me about being an anti-war, anti-drug war, anti-PATRIOT ACT (and pro-a-lot-0f-bad-things) Green in 2004, but when they do so, they are really just dissing about every libertarian there is, since very few people spring from their mother&#8217;s wombs as libertarians. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not that old. 2004 seems like a LONG time ago to me. In that time, I&#8217;ve gone back to and graduated from college, changed careers, started several businesses, and had a child. My life has changed a lot more in non-political areas than it has in political matters.</p>
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		<title>By: G.E.</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/06/official-bob-barr-campaign-bloggers-will-bolt-from-lp-after-election/comment-page-1/#comment-2743</link>
		<dc:creator>G.E.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 20:26:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I added this to the start of the article:

&lt;b&gt;Editor&#039;s Note: Although the letter is co-signed by Mr. Austin Wilkes and Ms. Shana Kluck, Ms.Kluck has expressed her intent to stay in the Libertarian Party. Many of the statements in the letter use the singular &quot;I&quot; pronoun, despite it being signed by two individuals.&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I added this to the start of the article:</p>
<p><b>Editor&#8217;s Note: Although the letter is co-signed by Mr. Austin Wilkes and Ms. Shana Kluck, Ms.Kluck has expressed her intent to stay in the Libertarian Party. Many of the statements in the letter use the singular &#8220;I&#8221; pronoun, despite it being signed by two individuals.</b></p>
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		<title>By: Peter Orvetti</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Orvetti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 20:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s funny to think of G.E. as a Green.  But I was briefly a member of the Socialist Party in college, so I can&#039;t disagree that people do grow and evolve.  That&#039;s one reason I&#039;ve been telling people to be open-minded about Barr.

At one time or another, I&#039;ve been a member of four political parties -- both majors, the LP, and the Socialists.  (I have a certain respect for the Socialist Party, which is more practical and less prone to using stilted leftospeak in its public pronouncements than its peers on the far left.)  I also supported Perot for about three days in 1992 -- but who didn&#039;t?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s funny to think of G.E. as a Green.  But I was briefly a member of the Socialist Party in college, so I can&#8217;t disagree that people do grow and evolve.  That&#8217;s one reason I&#8217;ve been telling people to be open-minded about Barr.</p>
<p>At one time or another, I&#8217;ve been a member of four political parties &#8212; both majors, the LP, and the Socialists.  (I have a certain respect for the Socialist Party, which is more practical and less prone to using stilted leftospeak in its public pronouncements than its peers on the far left.)  I also supported Perot for about three days in 1992 &#8212; but who didn&#8217;t?</p>
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		<title>By: paulie cannoli</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/06/official-bob-barr-campaign-bloggers-will-bolt-from-lp-after-election/comment-page-1/#comment-2739</link>
		<dc:creator>paulie cannoli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 20:01:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, I notice TPW is linking to some of the news items here now, such as this one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, I notice TPW is linking to some of the news items here now, such as this one.</p>
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		<title>By: paulie cannoli</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/06/official-bob-barr-campaign-bloggers-will-bolt-from-lp-after-election/comment-page-1/#comment-2738</link>
		<dc:creator>paulie cannoli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 20:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shana is correct. Austin was speaking only for himself when he spoke about planning to leave the LP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shana is correct. Austin was speaking only for himself when he spoke about planning to leave the LP.</p>
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		<title>By: G.E.</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/06/official-bob-barr-campaign-bloggers-will-bolt-from-lp-after-election/comment-page-1/#comment-2736</link>
		<dc:creator>G.E.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 19:31:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve - Don&#039;t you see the difference between someone like you -- a non-&quot;purist&quot; libertarian fighting to expand the LP -- and someone who is working for Barr and saying they&#039;re planning on leaving after November.

You = Working to expand the party

Them = Not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve &#8211; Don&#8217;t you see the difference between someone like you &#8212; a non-&#8221;purist&#8221; libertarian fighting to expand the LP &#8212; and someone who is working for Barr and saying they&#8217;re planning on leaving after November.</p>
<p>You = Working to expand the party</p>
<p>Them = Not.</p>
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		<title>By: G.E.</title>
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		<dc:creator>G.E.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 19:30:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your knowledge of the framing vs. ratification of the Constitution is sorely lacking, Mr. Perkins. The framers were different men with a very different agenda than the people who ratified the Constitution. What&#039;s important is the intent of the ratifiers, not the intent of the framers. Suggested reading: Politically Incorrect Guide to the Constitution. I understand you are a legal scholar, but you might enjoy this different perspective.

The pledge says what it says. If you interpret it to mean something other than what it literally says, then that&#039;s on you.

The pledge does not hold one to anarchism. It just opposes coercive taxation. I believe that libertarianism, the philosophy, is limited to those who believe in no government and those who believe in a minimal government extending not beyond the provision of police, national defense, and court services; voluntarily funded by user fees or charity. That does not mean I do not welcome camaraderie with liberty-minded fellows such as you, so don&#039;t twist my words to say that&#039;s what I&#039;m saying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your knowledge of the framing vs. ratification of the Constitution is sorely lacking, Mr. Perkins. The framers were different men with a very different agenda than the people who ratified the Constitution. What&#8217;s important is the intent of the ratifiers, not the intent of the framers. Suggested reading: Politically Incorrect Guide to the Constitution. I understand you are a legal scholar, but you might enjoy this different perspective.</p>
<p>The pledge says what it says. If you interpret it to mean something other than what it literally says, then that&#8217;s on you.</p>
<p>The pledge does not hold one to anarchism. It just opposes coercive taxation. I believe that libertarianism, the philosophy, is limited to those who believe in no government and those who believe in a minimal government extending not beyond the provision of police, national defense, and court services; voluntarily funded by user fees or charity. That does not mean I do not welcome camaraderie with liberty-minded fellows such as you, so don&#8217;t twist my words to say that&#8217;s what I&#8217;m saying.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Perkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Perkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 18:48:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jose - I am certainly doing my best to make conservative-leaning libertarians and libertarian-leaning conservatives feel like they can find a home in the LP.  Since Denver, I&#039;ve spent more time on other blogs (actually, you know, discussing what&#039;s wrong with the two major parties)... and less time on this blog (near-100% discussion of what&#039;s wrong with my own Party).  If I were a newcomer, I&#039;m not exactly sure what my impressions would be right around now.

G.E. - What on earth are you talking about, with the &quot;framers&quot; vs. the &quot;ratifiers&quot;.  The core of the Constitution was ratified almost immediately after it was written, and there&#039;s not any evidence of all the States saying, &quot;We interpret this 180-degrees opposite from what those at the convention have to say about it.&quot;  If you interpret the LP pledge as being an axiom which requires all members to be anarchists, then hurray for you and your own personal &quot;ratification&quot; there.  However, that is YOUR personal ratification... and is neither mine nor the founders who wrote it... so don&#039;t try to hold it over others&#039; heads as a litmus test.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jose &#8211; I am certainly doing my best to make conservative-leaning libertarians and libertarian-leaning conservatives feel like they can find a home in the LP.  Since Denver, I&#8217;ve spent more time on other blogs (actually, you know, discussing what&#8217;s wrong with the two major parties)&#8230; and less time on this blog (near-100% discussion of what&#8217;s wrong with my own Party).  If I were a newcomer, I&#8217;m not exactly sure what my impressions would be right around now.</p>
<p>G.E. &#8211; What on earth are you talking about, with the &#8220;framers&#8221; vs. the &#8220;ratifiers&#8221;.  The core of the Constitution was ratified almost immediately after it was written, and there&#8217;s not any evidence of all the States saying, &#8220;We interpret this 180-degrees opposite from what those at the convention have to say about it.&#8221;  If you interpret the LP pledge as being an axiom which requires all members to be anarchists, then hurray for you and your own personal &#8220;ratification&#8221; there.  However, that is YOUR personal ratification&#8230; and is neither mine nor the founders who wrote it&#8230; so don&#8217;t try to hold it over others&#8217; heads as a litmus test.</p>
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		<title>By: G.E.</title>
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		<dc:creator>G.E.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 16:21:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve - The original purpose of the pledge is not as important as what it means to the individuals who agree to it. This reminds me of statist historians&#039; obsession with the &quot;framers&quot; of the Constitution, when what really matters is the intent of the ratifiers.

I don&#039;t think it&#039;s appropriate or honorable to pledge something you don&#039;t believe, just to give the impression you&#039;re not a terrorist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve &#8211; The original purpose of the pledge is not as important as what it means to the individuals who agree to it. This reminds me of statist historians&#8217; obsession with the &#8220;framers&#8221; of the Constitution, when what really matters is the intent of the ratifiers.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s appropriate or honorable to pledge something you don&#8217;t believe, just to give the impression you&#8217;re not a terrorist.</p>
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		<title>By: JosÃ© C</title>
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		<dc:creator>JosÃ© C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 16:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve, those that are just in it for this election cycle would you try to convince them to stay in the Libertarian Party?

This report is sad. It is unfortunate those assisting Bob Barr will leave the movement after the election ends in November. Talk about fair weather friends!

Bob Barr is our nominee and we should get behind and support the campaign. We should vote for him.

Having said that I will admit I am not feeling the mo jo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, those that are just in it for this election cycle would you try to convince them to stay in the Libertarian Party?</p>
<p>This report is sad. It is unfortunate those assisting Bob Barr will leave the movement after the election ends in November. Talk about fair weather friends!</p>
<p>Bob Barr is our nominee and we should get behind and support the campaign. We should vote for him.</p>
<p>Having said that I will admit I am not feeling the mo jo.</p>
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		<title>By: Third Party Watch &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Barr bloggers will bolt from Libertarian Party after election</title>
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		<dc:creator>Third Party Watch &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Barr bloggers will bolt from Libertarian Party after election</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 13:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Cassidy&#8217;s Independent Political Report reprints an email received from Barr blogger Austin Wilkes, cosigned by Shana Kluck, saying [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Steve Perkins</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/06/official-bob-barr-campaign-bloggers-will-bolt-from-lp-after-election/comment-page-1/#comment-2679</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Perkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 12:18:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The party pledge requires members to say they donâ€™t support the initiation of force to achieve social or political goals. Conservatism is incompatible with this credo, as are Barrâ€™s calls for drug prohibition at the state level, a national sales tax, etc.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You&#039;ve been with the LP for less than one campaign cycle, G.E., so I&#039;ll cut you some slack on your historical error here.  As none less than Party founder David Nolan has repeated on NUMEROUS occasions, the Pledge is intended to differentiate the LP from terrorist organizations.  I know that sounds a little weird, even post-9/11, but go do some reading on the kinds of political and student organizations that were springing up right and left back in 1972... and it makes a little more sense.

The idea of the pledge being a core &quot;maxim&quot;... from which all libertarian philosophy derives, and which requires one to ultimately become either an anarchist or a &quot;pledge-breaker&quot;... did not come along until years later.  The waters have been so muddied at this point, most new members today don&#039;t even know that this &quot;litmus test&quot; thing is a retrofit that wasn&#039;t intended.  Of course, don&#039;t take my word for it... shoot an email to Nolan.

Argue your positions on their merits.  Focus on what makes them GOOD, rather than opposing positions BAD.  Stop pointing fingers at others and telling them they &quot;don&#039;t belong&quot;, or &quot;aren&#039;t real libertarians&quot;, on account of a pledge you don&#039;t know enough about.  Start doing these things, and you guys may find your way back to the driver&#039;s seat again, rather than griping from the back 24/7 about our driving.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The party pledge requires members to say they donâ€™t support the initiation of force to achieve social or political goals. Conservatism is incompatible with this credo, as are Barrâ€™s calls for drug prohibition at the state level, a national sales tax, etc.</p></blockquote>
<p>You&#8217;ve been with the LP for less than one campaign cycle, G.E., so I&#8217;ll cut you some slack on your historical error here.  As none less than Party founder David Nolan has repeated on NUMEROUS occasions, the Pledge is intended to differentiate the LP from terrorist organizations.  I know that sounds a little weird, even post-9/11, but go do some reading on the kinds of political and student organizations that were springing up right and left back in 1972&#8230; and it makes a little more sense.</p>
<p>The idea of the pledge being a core &#8220;maxim&#8221;&#8230; from which all libertarian philosophy derives, and which requires one to ultimately become either an anarchist or a &#8220;pledge-breaker&#8221;&#8230; did not come along until years later.  The waters have been so muddied at this point, most new members today don&#8217;t even know that this &#8220;litmus test&#8221; thing is a retrofit that wasn&#8217;t intended.  Of course, don&#8217;t take my word for it&#8230; shoot an email to Nolan.</p>
<p>Argue your positions on their merits.  Focus on what makes them GOOD, rather than opposing positions BAD.  Stop pointing fingers at others and telling them they &#8220;don&#8217;t belong&#8221;, or &#8220;aren&#8217;t real libertarians&#8221;, on account of a pledge you don&#8217;t know enough about.  Start doing these things, and you guys may find your way back to the driver&#8217;s seat again, rather than griping from the back 24/7 about our driving.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffersonish</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/06/official-bob-barr-campaign-bloggers-will-bolt-from-lp-after-election/comment-page-1/#comment-2676</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffersonish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 07:49:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate to see fights over libertarian purism and pragmatism or hardline libertarianism vs. right/conservative leaning libertarianism.  Think about your other options people! Frankly I score on the Nolan Chart at the very top and consider some socialist or statist ideals to be things we are &quot;stuck with&quot; until we can make other changes to our system first. And I am whole-heartedly supporting Bob Barr.

We don&#039;t see eye to eye on a number of issues. Ron Paul is closer to my ideal. However, McCain and Obama and likely whoever the two majors are going to run up the flagpole in 2012 and beyond are MUCH worse options.  The thing is, Ron Paul has supporters (even a lot of people who didn&#039;t want to &quot;waste their vote&quot; and therefore voted for one of the other GOP&#039;ers or declined to leave the Democratic Party) and Bob Barr is close enough in idealogy to Ron Paul to attract a lot of those people.

Mike Schneider on Bloomberg got it right when he said there were a lot of people beginning to take notice of libertarianism.  I think people are going to start seeing momentum. As much as I liked the hardcore libertarians like Steve Kubby and Mary Ruwart, I can see that Barr has the best chance of shattering the 1.1 percent LP record for Presidential votes.  Of course a win is the goal, but even if we achieve 5% that would be huge in showing a swell of support.

At that point we would have to work twice as hard to capitalize on it so the next time we achieve double digits. People like Barr, Ruwart, Kubby, Phillies, Nolan, and the increasing number of respected libertarians of all stripes are going to all be needed in that effort. If some people leave because the next candidate isn&#039;t Bob Barr specifically or maybe because they&#039;re pro-life or some such thing, that&#039;s okay, we&#039;ll be pulling in others to take their places.

And as far as the horrible problem of little &quot;L&quot; libertarians returning to the GOP, just what effect do you think that will have on the GOP besides help form them into a libertarian-leaning conservative party? I was tabling for my local Libertarian Party a while back and someone came up to me and said, &quot;You know what&#039;s gonna happen if the LP ever starts becoming a threat... the other parties are just gonna co-opt your platform.&quot; I replied, &quot;At which point we will have won.&quot; The point isn&#039;t about who embraces liberty as long as it is a LOT of people, especially those in office, no matter what letter is in parentheses before the state they represent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to see fights over libertarian purism and pragmatism or hardline libertarianism vs. right/conservative leaning libertarianism.  Think about your other options people! Frankly I score on the Nolan Chart at the very top and consider some socialist or statist ideals to be things we are &#8220;stuck with&#8221; until we can make other changes to our system first. And I am whole-heartedly supporting Bob Barr.</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t see eye to eye on a number of issues. Ron Paul is closer to my ideal. However, McCain and Obama and likely whoever the two majors are going to run up the flagpole in 2012 and beyond are MUCH worse options.  The thing is, Ron Paul has supporters (even a lot of people who didn&#8217;t want to &#8220;waste their vote&#8221; and therefore voted for one of the other GOP&#8217;ers or declined to leave the Democratic Party) and Bob Barr is close enough in idealogy to Ron Paul to attract a lot of those people.</p>
<p>Mike Schneider on Bloomberg got it right when he said there were a lot of people beginning to take notice of libertarianism.  I think people are going to start seeing momentum. As much as I liked the hardcore libertarians like Steve Kubby and Mary Ruwart, I can see that Barr has the best chance of shattering the 1.1 percent LP record for Presidential votes.  Of course a win is the goal, but even if we achieve 5% that would be huge in showing a swell of support.</p>
<p>At that point we would have to work twice as hard to capitalize on it so the next time we achieve double digits. People like Barr, Ruwart, Kubby, Phillies, Nolan, and the increasing number of respected libertarians of all stripes are going to all be needed in that effort. If some people leave because the next candidate isn&#8217;t Bob Barr specifically or maybe because they&#8217;re pro-life or some such thing, that&#8217;s okay, we&#8217;ll be pulling in others to take their places.</p>
<p>And as far as the horrible problem of little &#8220;L&#8221; libertarians returning to the GOP, just what effect do you think that will have on the GOP besides help form them into a libertarian-leaning conservative party? I was tabling for my local Libertarian Party a while back and someone came up to me and said, &#8220;You know what&#8217;s gonna happen if the LP ever starts becoming a threat&#8230; the other parties are just gonna co-opt your platform.&#8221; I replied, &#8220;At which point we will have won.&#8221; The point isn&#8217;t about who embraces liberty as long as it is a LOT of people, especially those in office, no matter what letter is in parentheses before the state they represent.</p>
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