So what? Many people hold membership in more than one party. And the rest is simply irrelevant and listing it only demonstrating prejudice and ignorance on your part.

As far as I know, this means people whose email addresses they got a hold of by any mode of communication, whether they support the party or not. Thus, I would be one of the ‘members’, probably.

So, the percentage that accept the official story without question is even lower than 46%.

Thanks for these new numbers!

This means more than half have significant dounts about the official story!

You talking about that CNN Internet poll that was most likely intentionally flooded by 9/11 truthers from Infowars.com?

Zogby took a world opinion poll on 9/11 responsibility: 46% believe it was Al Qaeda, 25% don’t know, 15% say it was the government, 7% say it was Israel, and 7% chose ‘other’.

I agree.

Not necessarily true; I’ve seen it done.

Perhaps this is indicitive of most established third parties? The out-of-the-mainstream logic and embrace of contradictory theories.

If we went along with the herd, we’d join the mainstream parties. The only problems is that the main stream goes down a drain.

I think we’ll grow out of being a minority as more people learn about the real Lincoln legacy.

http://pauliecannoli.wordpress.com/2009/02/14/lincolns-legacy/

and none (besides me) on the anti-Lincoln side. (I’m not counting VC, since he said he is not a libertarian, and did not advance any issue arguments).

Thus far, I haven’t seen anyone respond to the bulk of my response to Dr. Phillies.

Not small at all. 36% and growing, last time I checked.

You should remember that you are posting on somebody else’s turf, so to speak. There will always be that small minority of people who view Lincoln as bad president or claim that he had little impact o ending slavery in the US. It’s just like the small minority who believe in a significant government cover-up for 9/11.

At least on this site, for the most part, those who believe Lincoln wasn’t the catalyst behind ending slavery offer learned opinions. I tend to disagree and can offer equally compelling and widely accepted info to dispute their contention.

But you are not going to change many minds on a site like this. It’s not a knock on this site, or even the viewpoint we share about Lincoln. In fact, I am often impressed at the lengths people here use to prove their points.

Perhaps this is indicitive of most established third parties? The out-of-the-mainstream logic and embrace of contradictory theories.

Finally, Maverick, if you haven’t learned yet, the Modern Whigs don’t necessarily fit in with the established third parties, which makes us a kind of pariah I imagine in their eyes.

Best thing you can do is maintain composure, remain good-natured, be strong in your convictions and be prepared to support your contentions.

Abolition began in the City of London in AD 1102 when the slave trade was abolished there. Iceland followed suit in 1117, and England ended serfdom in 1214 with Magna Carta. Norway followed suit in the late 13th Century and Sweden in the 14th. Japan and Lithuania abolished slavery in the 16th Century about the time of the Spanish Armada. The process continued around the world, arriving in Vermont in 1777. Abolitionism spread through the states, as did resistance to the fugitive slave clause in the constitution.

What Lincoln wrote in the Emancipation Proclamation did not free any slaves in Northern states, nor any in Union-held territory such as New Orleans. Instead, he only declared free the slaves in the territories of the states he regarded as “in rebellion,” actually states exercising their sovereign Tenth Amendment power to withdraw from the Union. His Proclamation freed no slaves because rule by decree is nonsense.

Meanwhile, Lincoln imposed the country’s first income tax and drafted men to serve in the military, creating an entirely new sort of slave. Conscription under Lincoln (and Jefferson Davis) was the first of its kind for Americans.

“The first United States income tax was imposed in July 1861, at 3% of all incomes over 800 dollars.”

“Conscription was introduced in the Union Army during the American Civil War. … Conscription was not employed again in the U.S. until 1917.”

Both quotes from wikipedia, which see.

Lincoln declared that he was willing to preserve the Union at any cost, even if it meant emancipating slaves or enslaving free men. He tried his hand at both, though he was much more inclined toward the latter. Lincoln died 15 April 1865. The Thirteenth Amendment abolishing slavery was not ratified until 6 December 1865. “At the time of its ratification, slavery remained legal only in Delaware, Kentucky and Missouri.” Again wikipedia.

You may chose to believe anything you care to believe about the Confederacy. The following are the dates of ratification by state of the Thirteenth Amendment ending involuntary servitude.

# Virginia (February 9, 1865)
# Louisiana (February 17, 1865)
# Tennessee (April 7, 1865)
# Arkansas (April 14, 1865)
# South Carolina (November 13, 1865)
# Alabama (December 2, 1865)
# North Carolina (December 4, 1865)
# Georgia (December 6, 1865)

Florida joined the other Southern states in ratifying in late December 1865 after sufficient states had already been attained to make it part of the constitution. Texas ratified in 1870 and Mississippi in 1995.

Note especially Virginia’s ratification in early February. The amendment was only proposed at the end of January 1865. Ten days later one of the states allegedly fighting to support the continuation of slavery voted to ratify this amendment.

(sarcasm) Right um, I got to go and take a ride down in my stagecoach to my plantation in Alabama so I can watch my slaves that Lincoln never freed work the land for me. Better get my top hat and monicle on! Yee haw! (sarcasm off)

Oh wait that’s right, LINCOLN DID FREE THE SLAVES. Good god, read a book and learn something.

Lincoln did not free any slaves.

http://pauliecannoli.wordpress.com/2009/02/14/lincolns-legacy/

Ah yes, just forgeting the fact about freeing the slaves right?

He was fighting a war. Remember that, and no, Lincoln is looked up to by a majority of Americans. So that makes him a good affiliation for us.