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	<title>Comments on: Bob Barr: Stop the war threats against Iran</title>
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		<title>By: Jerry S.</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/06/bob-barr-stop-the-war-threats-against-iran/comment-page-1/#comment-2943</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerry S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 06:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Buddy you need to calm down. There was a 106 pound woman named Peggy writing all those Reagan speeches for him to delivery as his own...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Buddy you need to calm down. There was a 106 pound woman named Peggy writing all those Reagan speeches for him to delivery as his own&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Infidelesto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Infidelesto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 16:56:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Quote Ronald Reaganâ€¦

&quot;Freedom has never been so fragile so close to slipping from our grasp as it is this moment. Our Democratic opponents seem unwilling to debate these issues. Those who would trade our freedom for the soup kitchen of the welfare state have told us they have a Utopian solution of peace without victory, they call their policy &quot;accommodation&quot;. And they say if we&#039;ll only avoid any direct confrontation with the enemy he&#039;ll forget his evil ways and learn to love us. All who oppose them are indicted as war mongers. By committing an immorality so great as saying to a billion human beings now you can give up your dreams of freedom because to save our own skins we&#039;re willing to make a deal with your slave masters. Alexander Hamiltion said a nation which can prefer disgrace to danger, is prepared for a master, and deserves one.

Now lets set the record straightâ€¦
There&#039;s no argument over the choice between peace and war. But there&#039;s only one guarantee you can have peace and you can have it in the next secondâ€¦surrender.

Admittedly there&#039;s a risk in any course we follow other than this but every lesson of history tells us that the greater risk lies in appeasement. And this is the specter our well meaning liberal friends refuse to face, that their policy of accommodation is appeasement. And it gives no choice between peace and war, only between fight or surrender, If we continue to accommodate, continue to back and retreat, eventually we have to face the final demand, the ultimatumâ€¦ and what then?

He has told them that we are retreating under the pressure of the war, and some day when it comes time to deliver the final ultimatum our surrender will be voluntary because by that time we will have been weakened from within morally, spiritually and economically. He believes this because from our side he&#039;s heard voices pleading for peace at any price, or as one commentator put it, &quot;he&#039;d rather live on his knees than die on his feet&quot;. And therein lies the road to war, because those voices don&#039;t speak for the rest of us. You and I know and do not believe that life is so dear and peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery.

If nothing in life is worth dying for, then when did this begin? Just in the face of this enemy? Or should Moses should have told the children of Israel to live in slavery under the Pharoes? Should Christ have refused the cross? Should the patriots at Concord Bridge have thrown down their guns and refused to fire the &quot;shot heard round the world&quot;? The martyrs of history were not fools, and our honored dead who gave their lives to stop the advance of the Nazi&#039;s didn&#039;t die in vain.

Where then is the road to peace? Well it&#039;s a simple answer after all. You and I have the courage to say to our enemies there is a price we will not pay there is a point beyond which they must not advance. And in destroying, they would destroy that which represents the ideas that you and I hold dear. This is the meaning, in the phrase of Barry Goldwater, &quot;peace through strength&quot;. Winston Churchill said the destiny of man is not measured by material computations. When great forces are on the move in the world, we learn we&#039;re spirits not animals, and he said there&#039;s something going on in time and space and beyond time and space, which, whether we like it or not, spells duty. You and I have a rendezvous with destiny. We&#039;ll preserve for our children this the last, best hope of man on earth, or we&#039;ll sentence them to take the last step into a thousand years of darkness.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Quote Ronald Reaganâ€¦</p>
<p>&#8220;Freedom has never been so fragile so close to slipping from our grasp as it is this moment. Our Democratic opponents seem unwilling to debate these issues. Those who would trade our freedom for the soup kitchen of the welfare state have told us they have a Utopian solution of peace without victory, they call their policy &#8220;accommodation&#8221;. And they say if we&#8217;ll only avoid any direct confrontation with the enemy he&#8217;ll forget his evil ways and learn to love us. All who oppose them are indicted as war mongers. By committing an immorality so great as saying to a billion human beings now you can give up your dreams of freedom because to save our own skins we&#8217;re willing to make a deal with your slave masters. Alexander Hamiltion said a nation which can prefer disgrace to danger, is prepared for a master, and deserves one.</p>
<p>Now lets set the record straightâ€¦<br />
There&#8217;s no argument over the choice between peace and war. But there&#8217;s only one guarantee you can have peace and you can have it in the next secondâ€¦surrender.</p>
<p>Admittedly there&#8217;s a risk in any course we follow other than this but every lesson of history tells us that the greater risk lies in appeasement. And this is the specter our well meaning liberal friends refuse to face, that their policy of accommodation is appeasement. And it gives no choice between peace and war, only between fight or surrender, If we continue to accommodate, continue to back and retreat, eventually we have to face the final demand, the ultimatumâ€¦ and what then?</p>
<p>He has told them that we are retreating under the pressure of the war, and some day when it comes time to deliver the final ultimatum our surrender will be voluntary because by that time we will have been weakened from within morally, spiritually and economically. He believes this because from our side he&#8217;s heard voices pleading for peace at any price, or as one commentator put it, &#8220;he&#8217;d rather live on his knees than die on his feet&#8221;. And therein lies the road to war, because those voices don&#8217;t speak for the rest of us. You and I know and do not believe that life is so dear and peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery.</p>
<p>If nothing in life is worth dying for, then when did this begin? Just in the face of this enemy? Or should Moses should have told the children of Israel to live in slavery under the Pharoes? Should Christ have refused the cross? Should the patriots at Concord Bridge have thrown down their guns and refused to fire the &#8220;shot heard round the world&#8221;? The martyrs of history were not fools, and our honored dead who gave their lives to stop the advance of the Nazi&#8217;s didn&#8217;t die in vain.</p>
<p>Where then is the road to peace? Well it&#8217;s a simple answer after all. You and I have the courage to say to our enemies there is a price we will not pay there is a point beyond which they must not advance. And in destroying, they would destroy that which represents the ideas that you and I hold dear. This is the meaning, in the phrase of Barry Goldwater, &#8220;peace through strength&#8221;. Winston Churchill said the destiny of man is not measured by material computations. When great forces are on the move in the world, we learn we&#8217;re spirits not animals, and he said there&#8217;s something going on in time and space and beyond time and space, which, whether we like it or not, spells duty. You and I have a rendezvous with destiny. We&#8217;ll preserve for our children this the last, best hope of man on earth, or we&#8217;ll sentence them to take the last step into a thousand years of darkness.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: richardwinger</title>
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		<dc:creator>richardwinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 04:22:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, G.E.   I like what you say tonight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, G.E.   I like what you say tonight.</p>
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		<title>By: G.E.</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/06/bob-barr-stop-the-war-threats-against-iran/comment-page-1/#comment-2777</link>
		<dc:creator>G.E.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 04:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I normally like to rework press releases to highlight the key points, but this entire press release was spot on. Every time Bob Barr talks about Iran, it makes me much more likely to vote for him. Here is one issue where the difference between he and the majors is clearly delineated. 

â€œNeither Sen. McCain nor Sen. Obama can be trusted to keep the peace&quot;

Ain&#039;t that the truth.

One criticism, though: A preemptive strike is never justified. A strike in response to a truly imminent threat is not &quot;preemptive&quot; -- it&#039;s defensive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I normally like to rework press releases to highlight the key points, but this entire press release was spot on. Every time Bob Barr talks about Iran, it makes me much more likely to vote for him. Here is one issue where the difference between he and the majors is clearly delineated. </p>
<p>â€œNeither Sen. McCain nor Sen. Obama can be trusted to keep the peace&#8221;</p>
<p>Ain&#8217;t that the truth.</p>
<p>One criticism, though: A preemptive strike is never justified. A strike in response to a truly imminent threat is not &#8220;preemptive&#8221; &#8212; it&#8217;s defensive.</p>
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