Comments on: Wayne Allyn Root wins vice-presidential nomination

By: Tom Knapp: Kubby as Libertarian VP candidate in 2012? | Independent Political Report

Mon, 09 Jan 2012 17:16:41 +0000

[...] Kubby was the runner up for the party’s VP nomination in 2000 and 2008 (losing to Art Olivier and Wayne Root respectively). The delegate votes were 418-338 in 2000 (source: wikipedia) and 289-255 in 2008. [...]

By: G.E.

G.E. — Tue, 27 May 2008 05:31:18 +0000

Red – Libertarians believe in private property, not communism. It’s just that simple.

By: aynrkey

aynrkey — Tue, 27 May 2008 05:25:53 +0000

With Barr on the ticket with someone with a soul as his running mate, I could hold my nose and vote for him, just like you could vote for a yellow dog.

Will WAR as the running mate, I’ll probably write in the name of a real libertarian, if I vote.

By: trinman

trinman — Mon, 26 May 2008 18:12:10 +0000

I vote (anywhere above the local level) for one reason: So I can look myself in the mirror each morning and know that I spoke my mind on the contest, and that I did not sell myself out in the process. (I figured out a long time ago how little it means otherwise.)

I’ve voted Libertarian for President every time since I could vote (which is every time there has BEEN an LP nominee), even tho in a couple of cases I held my nose in doing so, for various reasons.

This time I will not break that chain by voting for some other clown … but I might just not vote at all

By: Steven R Linnabary

Steven R Linnabary — Mon, 26 May 2008 17:06:05 +0000

aynrkey:

I am probably as hard core as any Libertarian. Almost anarchist, even.

But, I am also a “yellow dog” Libertarian. I’ll vote for a yellow dog if he is a Libertarian before I’ll vote for a democrat or republican.

I will most likely vote for Barr in November. I may have to hold my nose.

OTOH, if somebody resurects the “Personal Choice or Boston Tea Parties or if the USMJ Party runs a POTUS candidate, I may have a dilemma.

PEACE
Steve

By: aynrkey

aynrkey — Mon, 26 May 2008 16:00:04 +0000

So much for a unity ticket. The Republican Caucus beat the Libertarian Caucus of the Libertarian Party, and there is no way I could vote for any ticket that includes Root. Possibly Barr, if he hadn’t been so budy ducking questions from the Libertarian Caucus, but not Root.

By: RedPhillips

RedPhillips — Mon, 26 May 2008 15:55:33 +0000

Above steal should be steel.

By: RedPhillips

RedPhillips — Mon, 26 May 2008 14:52:21 +0000

Also, I don’t think Baldwin has endorsed any particular “protectionist” measure. He is against NAFTA, GATT, WTO, etc. as anyone concerned with sovereignty should be. And he is for a revenue tariff to fund the constitutional functions of government. But I don’t think he has endorsed specific protectionist measures such as a steal tariff.

Also, you don’t have to agree with everything a candidate believes to cast a protest vote. Couldn’t a Libertarian cast a protest vote for Baldwin because he is upset with the LP nominee in the same way that a Republican might vote for Barr out of protest of McCain?

By: RedPhillips

RedPhillips — Mon, 26 May 2008 14:40:33 +0000

G.E., I don’t think demographic change should be focused on for political purposes to gain votes. It just should not be run from out of fear of PC reprisals. There is nothing more radical, revolutionary and transformative than rapid immigration and demographic change. The current rates of immigration, legal and illegal, are unprecedented. How could a conservative, someone who wants to conserve, not oppose such?

We are headed to Balkanization. Many communities already are. If you think all these new immigrants are going to get here and vote for L(l)ibertarians then you are delusional. They are going to vote for socialist/Democrats like all new immigrant groups. You are voluntarily consigning yourself to electoral irrelevance if current trends continue.

Of course, you could always do the Rove strategy and try and do outreach. Good luck with that.

By: G.E.

G.E. — Mon, 26 May 2008 08:29:35 +0000

Trent – I don’t know, but you might be able to find some. I lobbied lots of libertarians to at least consider Baldwin. I made the argument that while I may not personally agree with, say, his views on gays, I agree on how he would govern as it relates to gays.

Immigration and free trade are the issues where the disagreement is pronounced, and these are important issues to libertarians. Especially the latter, where, aside from Phillies, there is virtually no disagreement.

But as a born-again anti-Fed man, I can’t imagine casting a vote for a candidate who is pro-Fed. Baldwin is tentatively my man.

I would encourage him to emphasize monetary policy. It is a popular issue with Ron Paul people and not something neocon CIA man Barr is going to touch with a 10-foot pole.

By: G.E.

G.E. — Mon, 26 May 2008 08:24:45 +0000

Red – Okay. If you want to focus on the racist “demographic change,” you are not going to win over more than a fraction of the Ron Paul revolutionaries. If that’s okay with you, if that’s your principles, then hey, I can relate. But individualists, like Ron Paul, don’t care about the racial heritage of their neighbors. That’s something the conservative death cult cares about.

By: David R. Jeffries

David R. Jeffries — Mon, 26 May 2008 07:18:10 +0000

If I am annoying anyone with my puns, I’m sorry. I comment in a spirit of lighthearted merriment.

By: David R. Jeffries

David R. Jeffries — Mon, 26 May 2008 06:47:59 +0000

As the late, great Warren Zevon said:

WZ: I just took a short vacation, Roy. Spent it getting a Root canal.

Roy: Oh yeah, how’d you like it?

WZ: Well it ain’t that pretty at all!

By: David R. Jeffries

David R. Jeffries — Mon, 26 May 2008 06:42:28 +0000

What is Root’s position on beer?

By: David R. Jeffries

David R. Jeffries — Mon, 26 May 2008 06:40:23 +0000

Root, Root, Root for the home team?

By: Conservative Heritage Times » And the 2008 Libertarian Presidential Nominee is… Bob Barr!

Mon, 26 May 2008 06:35:34 +0000

[...] Allyn Root won the Vice Presidential Nomination: Root: 289, Kubby: 255, Williams: 14, NOTA: [...]

By: trinman

trinman — Mon, 26 May 2008 06:25:48 +0000

Matt follow up: the year they took on Nader the other two contenders were two longtime Green activists: (1) Stephen Gaskin, founder of The Farm (Summertown, TB – I keep meaning to visit, having known many friends both here and elsewhere who knew of or had been to the place; and (2) Jello Biafra, the lead singer of the Dead Kennedys punk band. Both had done more than their share of GP activism and deserved a shot, but the Naderites overtook their convention and called anyone who didn’t want to “go for the gold” (that 5% meaning FEC checks after the fact) was not interested in moving the GP into the mainstream power slots (they used other words). IIRC Biafra left the GP hanging, and Gaskin may have as well, tho I think he did support David Cobb in ’04 as the regained their souls

By: trinman

trinman — Mon, 26 May 2008 06:20:46 +0000

Matt: look carefully at the things the Greens claim to embrace (also do some research or ask someone who was there then … Nader actually made a speech of some sort in which he renounced nearly all of the nine points (or whatever they call them; been a long day and I am not going to Google again tonight)

By: David R. Jeffries

David R. Jeffries — Mon, 26 May 2008 06:13:39 +0000

W.A.R. is the health of the State.

By: MattSwartz

MattSwartz — Mon, 26 May 2008 05:59:38 +0000

trinman,
How do Nader’s positions differ from those held by the Green Party again? I’ve heard his speeches and seen their websites but I can’t pin it down. Besides personality issues, where’s the rift?