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		<title>By: Third Party Watch &#187; Blog Archive &#187; An Electoral Strategery for Bob Barr?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Third Party Watch &#187; Blog Archive &#187; An Electoral Strategery for Bob Barr?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 19:46:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Bob Barr&#8217;s $30 million strategy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Barr&#8217;s $30 million strategy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 18:36:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] it seems the campaign will be pursuing a variation of the &#8220;winnable state&#8221; strategy examined earlier by IPR. &#8220;There are certain states that are a one-party state,&#8221; said [campaign manager Russ] [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] it seems the campaign will be pursuing a variation of the &#8220;winnable state&#8221; strategy examined earlier by IPR. &#8220;There are certain states that are a one-party state,&#8221; said [campaign manager Russ] [...]</p>
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		<title>By: John P Slevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>John P Slevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 07:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>G.E.&#039;s small state strategy is the obvious doer.  It&#039;s been proposed many times before.

I&#039;m not for giving anywhere, but if the goal is to get a few electoral votes, you do it in states like New Hampshire  and Nevada (limited media markets, and in the case of New Hampshire, spillover to Mass), Wyoming, all the mountain states out from Wyoming.

Then, you&#039;ve about exhausted the doable limited media market small states.

Oregon is Gordon&#039;s pipe dream.  Austin is correct, that map is absurd, and meant to get attention.  Just don&#039;t believe it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>G.E.&#8217;s small state strategy is the obvious doer.  It&#8217;s been proposed many times before.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not for giving anywhere, but if the goal is to get a few electoral votes, you do it in states like New Hampshire  and Nevada (limited media markets, and in the case of New Hampshire, spillover to Mass), Wyoming, all the mountain states out from Wyoming.</p>
<p>Then, you&#8217;ve about exhausted the doable limited media market small states.</p>
<p>Oregon is Gordon&#8217;s pipe dream.  Austin is correct, that map is absurd, and meant to get attention.  Just don&#8217;t believe it.</p>
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		<title>By: G.E.</title>
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		<dc:creator>G.E.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 21:16:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama will win every blue state from &#039;04 plus Ohio, Florida, New Mexico, Nevada, and Iowa. That&#039;s 313 to 224; 58% of the electoral vote, and just as much of the popular vote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama will win every blue state from &#8216;04 plus Ohio, Florida, New Mexico, Nevada, and Iowa. That&#8217;s 313 to 224; 58% of the electoral vote, and just as much of the popular vote.</p>
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		<title>By: Dylan Waco</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dylan Waco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 21:08:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>G.E., Obama isn&#039;t going to win in a landslide.  People keep looking at the national polls and making poor assumptions based on them.  Furthermore there are a lot of Hillary voters who WON&#039;T vote for Obama.  Obama will win, but it will be much closer than people think.

Also, I&#039;m aware that Wallace was the last third party candidate to carry a state,but that was in 68, the last election year governed by the &quot;party boss&quot; rules, plus their were a lot of other factors.  Since then third party candidates from John Anderson to Perot to Nader have done disproportionately poorly in the South regardless of their message.

Also...

&quot;I disagree, and think Eric and Steven have much better ideas. This isnâ€™t a game and shouldnâ€™t be an ego-trip for Barr; itâ€™s a long battle of ideas. What our partyâ€™s candidates should be doing is concentrating on pressing a strong antiwar message and growing and reviving wiling local LPs. Activists have to know they arenâ€™t entirely alone, and that thereâ€™s a real movement they are a part of. That wonâ€™t happen if the focus is on one or a few key states. But Barr has already indicated in interviews that this will be his strategy, so I donâ€™t have high hopes for him working to add to the activist base.&quot;

If the LP wanted to do this they shouldn&#039;t have nominated Barr, who is running a John Kerryesque &quot;I was stupid and didn&#039;t think Bush would actually use his authorization of force, plus they lied to us about WMD!&quot; schtick as his foreign policy plank.  The advantage of Barr was that it could get them more attention and more votes.  If you are going to make a deal with the devil you may as well go for broke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>G.E., Obama isn&#8217;t going to win in a landslide.  People keep looking at the national polls and making poor assumptions based on them.  Furthermore there are a lot of Hillary voters who WON&#8217;T vote for Obama.  Obama will win, but it will be much closer than people think.</p>
<p>Also, I&#8217;m aware that Wallace was the last third party candidate to carry a state,but that was in 68, the last election year governed by the &#8220;party boss&#8221; rules, plus their were a lot of other factors.  Since then third party candidates from John Anderson to Perot to Nader have done disproportionately poorly in the South regardless of their message.</p>
<p>Also&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;I disagree, and think Eric and Steven have much better ideas. This isnâ€™t a game and shouldnâ€™t be an ego-trip for Barr; itâ€™s a long battle of ideas. What our partyâ€™s candidates should be doing is concentrating on pressing a strong antiwar message and growing and reviving wiling local LPs. Activists have to know they arenâ€™t entirely alone, and that thereâ€™s a real movement they are a part of. That wonâ€™t happen if the focus is on one or a few key states. But Barr has already indicated in interviews that this will be his strategy, so I donâ€™t have high hopes for him working to add to the activist base.&#8221;</p>
<p>If the LP wanted to do this they shouldn&#8217;t have nominated Barr, who is running a John Kerryesque &#8220;I was stupid and didn&#8217;t think Bush would actually use his authorization of force, plus they lied to us about WMD!&#8221; schtick as his foreign policy plank.  The advantage of Barr was that it could get them more attention and more votes.  If you are going to make a deal with the devil you may as well go for broke.</p>
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		<title>By: G.E.</title>
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		<dc:creator>G.E.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 20:16:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Knapp - The problem is that Obama&#039;s going to win in a landslide, and the states where Barr stands a chance are states that would otherwise go to McCain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Knapp &#8211; The problem is that Obama&#8217;s going to win in a landslide, and the states where Barr stands a chance are states that would otherwise go to McCain.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas L. Knapp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas L. Knapp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 19:52:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GE,

I have to go with the &quot;winnable states&quot; strategy -- with an eye toward winning the ELECTION.

If the election splits between McCain and Obama with neither having a majority in the Electoral College, and Barr holding the balance, Barr&#039;s electors can tell the Republican electors &quot;you get Barr or Obama -- McCain&#039;s not an option.&quot;

Either way, we get something out of it. We either get a president, or we get the spectacle of Republican electors publicly and willingly handing the election to the Democrat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GE,</p>
<p>I have to go with the &#8220;winnable states&#8221; strategy &#8212; with an eye toward winning the ELECTION.</p>
<p>If the election splits between McCain and Obama with neither having a majority in the Electoral College, and Barr holding the balance, Barr&#8217;s electors can tell the Republican electors &#8220;you get Barr or Obama &#8212; McCain&#8217;s not an option.&#8221;</p>
<p>Either way, we get something out of it. We either get a president, or we get the spectacle of Republican electors publicly and willingly handing the election to the Democrat.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Church Ortiz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred Church Ortiz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 18:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I kind of like the idea of a &quot;leans&quot; state strategy, where Barr forces either candidate to expend resources where they wouldn&#039;t have to. I&#039;d like it even better if he&#039;s sure to go on the attack on both candidates, in whichever state they lead.  Force Obama and Cain to run around in states they think they can count on &lt;i&gt;addressing Barr&lt;/i&gt;.  More media, higher awareness/polls, weaker position for the duopoly through November, and a result too confused to easily spin with the spoiler argument when it&#039;s all said and done.

If I thought it was feasible, I&#039;d prefer a focused winnable-state(s) strategy.  But other than the usual ruminations about Alaska and NH, I just don&#039;t see any state where the LP can take the win in a three-way race.  &lt;i&gt;Maybe&lt;/i&gt; if the Heller decision gives Barr an energized gun rights electorate, but that would depend on us getting a crappy decision and sliding even further into tyranny, or both candidates gaffing hard on a good one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I kind of like the idea of a &#8220;leans&#8221; state strategy, where Barr forces either candidate to expend resources where they wouldn&#8217;t have to. I&#8217;d like it even better if he&#8217;s sure to go on the attack on both candidates, in whichever state they lead.  Force Obama and Cain to run around in states they think they can count on <i>addressing Barr</i>.  More media, higher awareness/polls, weaker position for the duopoly through November, and a result too confused to easily spin with the spoiler argument when it&#8217;s all said and done.</p>
<p>If I thought it was feasible, I&#8217;d prefer a focused winnable-state(s) strategy.  But other than the usual ruminations about Alaska and NH, I just don&#8217;t see any state where the LP can take the win in a three-way race.  <i>Maybe</i> if the Heller decision gives Barr an energized gun rights electorate, but that would depend on us getting a crappy decision and sliding even further into tyranny, or both candidates gaffing hard on a good one.</p>
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		<title>By: vortexoffreedom</title>
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		<dc:creator>vortexoffreedom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 17:59:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would concentrate on the small states.  200,000 votes barely makes a dent in California, New York or Texas.  It could win many of the &quot;3 electoral vote&quot; states.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would concentrate on the small states.  200,000 votes barely makes a dent in California, New York or Texas.  It could win many of the &#8220;3 electoral vote&#8221; states.</p>
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		<title>By: G.E.</title>
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		<dc:creator>G.E.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 17:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Susan - It may be possible, though unlikely, to go all out and win in Montana or some other small, Mountain West state. One-congressional-district states are the size of one congressional district -- and they&#039;re not hotly contested by either of the major parties. Dump several million in there and give it a go. Although I agree that it may not be a &quot;likely scenario,&quot; I think it is more likely than what you suggest -- that Barr/Root carries forth the banner of Principled Libertarianism across the nation.

BTW: It was a pleasure meeting you in Denver.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Susan &#8211; It may be possible, though unlikely, to go all out and win in Montana or some other small, Mountain West state. One-congressional-district states are the size of one congressional district &#8212; and they&#8217;re not hotly contested by either of the major parties. Dump several million in there and give it a go. Although I agree that it may not be a &#8220;likely scenario,&#8221; I think it is more likely than what you suggest &#8212; that Barr/Root carries forth the banner of Principled Libertarianism across the nation.</p>
<p>BTW: It was a pleasure meeting you in Denver.</p>
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		<title>By: hogarth</title>
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		<dc:creator>hogarth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 17:27:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Winning electoral votes would catapult libertarianism and the Libertarian Party to a new level of prestige and help win the battle of ideas, even if indirectly. Look, weâ€™ve lost the battle this time and the reformers have won â€” might as well let them go all out trying new things.&lt;/i&gt;

That&#039;d be a reasonable argument if it was a likely scenario, but I very much doubt it is.  Perhaps the Barr campaign will surprise me.  So far their fundraising/media is hardly taking off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Winning electoral votes would catapult libertarianism and the Libertarian Party to a new level of prestige and help win the battle of ideas, even if indirectly. Look, weâ€™ve lost the battle this time and the reformers have won â€” might as well let them go all out trying new things.</i></p>
<p>That&#8217;d be a reasonable argument if it was a likely scenario, but I very much doubt it is.  Perhaps the Barr campaign will surprise me.  So far their fundraising/media is hardly taking off.</p>
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		<title>By: G.E.</title>
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		<dc:creator>G.E.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 16:38:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, so we have about four strategies identified here:

1. Swing State (try to be a &quot;spoiler&quot;)

2. Safe State (try to maximize votes by campaigning where it doesn&#039;t matter)

3. &quot;Winnable&quot; Sate (focus resources in a few small or otherwise winnable states to get electoral votes)

4. Status Quo: Do what Libertarians have done thus far but, hopefully, better.

My preference is for #3.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, so we have about four strategies identified here:</p>
<p>1. Swing State (try to be a &#8220;spoiler&#8221;)</p>
<p>2. Safe State (try to maximize votes by campaigning where it doesn&#8217;t matter)</p>
<p>3. &#8220;Winnable&#8221; Sate (focus resources in a few small or otherwise winnable states to get electoral votes)</p>
<p>4. Status Quo: Do what Libertarians have done thus far but, hopefully, better.</p>
<p>My preference is for #3.</p>
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		<title>By: torial</title>
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		<dc:creator>torial</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 16:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the approach of focusing on swing states is actually counterproductive.  The people there will fall most into the strategy of voting for the &quot;lesser of two evils&quot;.  The people who are in states that are decidedly going one way are often looking for a way to make a protest vote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the approach of focusing on swing states is actually counterproductive.  The people there will fall most into the strategy of voting for the &#8220;lesser of two evils&#8221;.  The people who are in states that are decidedly going one way are often looking for a way to make a protest vote.</p>
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		<title>By: G.E.</title>
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		<dc:creator>G.E.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 16:27:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Susan Hogarth - Winning electoral votes would catapult libertarianism and the Libertarian Party to a new level of prestige and help win the battle of ideas, even if indirectly. Look, we&#039;ve lost the battle this time and the reformers have won -- might as well let them go all out trying new things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Susan Hogarth &#8211; Winning electoral votes would catapult libertarianism and the Libertarian Party to a new level of prestige and help win the battle of ideas, even if indirectly. Look, we&#8217;ve lost the battle this time and the reformers have won &#8212; might as well let them go all out trying new things.</p>
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		<title>By: G.E.</title>
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		<dc:creator>G.E.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 16:24:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dylan - The last third-party candidate to win any states did so in the South. I&#039;m speaking of George Wallace, of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dylan &#8211; The last third-party candidate to win any states did so in the South. I&#8217;m speaking of George Wallace, of course.</p>
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